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The thing is that everyone has their own definition of what is and isn't moe, which leads to inevitable arguments.
First, why the hell is it not popping up under "Blogs".
Anyways, everyone does have their own definition. That is why I chose to try to make a real definition for "Moé." That is the only way we can really put an end to the debate.
Anyways, everyone does have their own definition. That is why I chose to try to make a real definition for "Moé." That is the only way we can really put an end to the debate.
The problem with that is that not everyone will want to accept your definition, since it might not apply to them, or they might just want to play the Devil's Advocate.
The way I see it, debate will always exist over the issue, since moe is such an ill-defined and subjective term that almost nobody will ever agree on what it means.
On a tangential note, those same reasons make it incredibly hard to adequately explain moe to a third party...
The way I see it, debate will always exist over the issue, since moe is such an ill-defined and subjective term that almost nobody will ever agree on what it means.
On a tangential note, those same reasons make it incredibly hard to adequately explain moe to a third party...
For the sake of discussion, I'll assume your definition of moe is THE definition of moe. And, to be fair, you make a good argument for your definition. However, you posit a question early on that's never addressed again: "If moe can be male, than why is it mainly only used for cute girls?"
This, I think, represents the heart of the issue for skeptics like me. When someone claims that moe means you simply care about a character, we then think, "Well, why is a character like Roy Mustang from Full Metal Alchemist never described as moe? He has tons of fans that care about him. And why is Cromartie High School never described as a moeblob show? It has no true antagonist."
If I went to a popular anime forum and asked, "Is Casshern from Casshern Sins moe?" I seriously doubt even half the people would say, "yes". I'd predict that some fans of shows we traditionally call "moe shows" would say he isn't, even though I certainly care about Casshern.
In summary, I would like to accept your definition of moe, because I feel like it could please both parties; however, I feel like otaku culture has consistently applied the term to similar shows and characters and not to others, which doesn't gel with your definition. And I think your question at the beginning ("why mainly cute girls?") is very important to understanding how the otaku culture decides what is or isn't moe.
I believe the solution is pretty simple: we need to change what we mean by the term "care for". Right now, you're using it to say we are invested in the character's life (if I'm mistaken, please correct me). I think the definition of "care for" that most accurately applies to what the otaku culture thinks is moe, though, is "to protect; or take actions that benefit the object of one's affections".
So I think a moe character is one that you not only like but also want to take care of. And, naturally, the characters that would most likely inspire these feelings would be young girls, which explains why shows like Lucky Star and K-ON have characters are widely considered to moe, but Black Lagoon does not.
This, I think, represents the heart of the issue for skeptics like me. When someone claims that moe means you simply care about a character, we then think, "Well, why is a character like Roy Mustang from Full Metal Alchemist never described as moe? He has tons of fans that care about him. And why is Cromartie High School never described as a moeblob show? It has no true antagonist."
If I went to a popular anime forum and asked, "Is Casshern from Casshern Sins moe?" I seriously doubt even half the people would say, "yes". I'd predict that some fans of shows we traditionally call "moe shows" would say he isn't, even though I certainly care about Casshern.
In summary, I would like to accept your definition of moe, because I feel like it could please both parties; however, I feel like otaku culture has consistently applied the term to similar shows and characters and not to others, which doesn't gel with your definition. And I think your question at the beginning ("why mainly cute girls?") is very important to understanding how the otaku culture decides what is or isn't moe.
I believe the solution is pretty simple: we need to change what we mean by the term "care for". Right now, you're using it to say we are invested in the character's life (if I'm mistaken, please correct me). I think the definition of "care for" that most accurately applies to what the otaku culture thinks is moe, though, is "to protect; or take actions that benefit the object of one's affections".
So I think a moe character is one that you not only like but also want to take care of. And, naturally, the characters that would most likely inspire these feelings would be young girls, which explains why shows like Lucky Star and K-ON have characters are widely considered to moe, but Black Lagoon does not.
I did address it later. I mentioned plenty of my definition of male Moé, examples were Dwight and Clint Eastwood were Tsundere. My last blog post I said that Pam was Meganekko for wearing glasses, and having traditional "glasses girl" traits in the one episode where where she wore glasses.
So, the only reason that it is mainly cute girls is because the viewerbase is mainly males. If it was 1/2 males 1/2 females, then there will be more male moé. But that isn't happening anytime soon.
So, the only reason that it is mainly cute girls is because the viewerbase is mainly males. If it was 1/2 males 1/2 females, then there will be more male moé. But that isn't happening anytime soon.
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