And that's why I don't read Kotaku.

"I'm not terribly knowledgeable about this franchise, so I'm going to have to assign some homework for you DBZ scholars out there"

Nope, the homework should be yours before posting a blog.

What a coincidence as I'm currently re watching DBZ but in Kai form, and I've also read the manga version of this series... so i'll gather my thoughts and get back to you on this.

It sorta ret-cons some things if you ask me. At first, King Kai himself says that planet Vegeta was just destroyed by their own guardian, who hated how bloodthirsty the Saiyans had gotten. Then, Frieza gets put into the mix and suddenly it wasn't the guardian, but Frieza that destroyed Vegeta. You'd think a ruler of the Universe would get his facts straight about that kinda thing.

The DBZ manga is actually pretty damn good, definitely worth reading. I just disagree with him that One Piece sucks, because I feel that One Piece is even better than DBZ. Also, don't use that picture as a judge of the manga, that's from an incredibly crappy scanlation going around the internet. If you really want to read the manga pick up the VizBig versions. They're well translated, look nice, are affordable, and are completely uncensored.

Kotaku has become an Anti-Anime/Manga/Anything Japanese just recently, so this isn't really a surprised. They've already published a few articles lately, such as lamenting JRPG games, and etc.

I've been an avid reader of the website for 3 years, and I've given up. Any otaku and even gamer would realize that Kotaku is publishing nothing more than biased opinions in a variety of their articles.

But now I found a place to live. :)


P.S Is it me or did Tim Roger forget to drink his coffee because he sound's awfully grouchy...Ow well. :P

"the ADHD-addled Dragon-Ball-Z-inspired One Piece"
I can't speak for the ADHD addling, as I haven't seen much of the One Piece show or the manga. (I haven't read the DBZ manga either, but I've seen the US version of the anime.) However, the only similarity between the two, from my experience, seems to be that the art styles are somewhat similar.

"Nope, the homework should be yours before posting a blog."

Considering the main focus of the article is about the article, a response to the article, and a really huge case of Rose Tinted Glasses, add the fact she didn't say anything she didn't have knowledge of and wanted to hear from others on the subject, I say you misunderstand what a blog is for.

I remember DBZ being pretty coherent - but I was a lot younger then. Dudes kicking the crap out of each other was all I needed. But one could also argue that IS all that's needed in a shonen show.

Having browsed the manga recently at Barnes and Noble, I can say that the manga is more coherent than the anime, if only because there aren't episode-long pauses.

To be honest, it's a relatively small issue in a completely massive essay.

Wasn't Bleach the DBZ of this day and age?

@ Marlin Clock
Exactly. He probably shouldn't have mentioned anime at all, as by our standards he doesn't really do the topic justice, but I thought the article was pretty interesting overall so Tim can be forgiven.

If you guys actually read the whole article instead of basing you opinion on one tiny paragraph in a gigantic essay, you'll realize that he's coming from an interesting perspective. He's a vegetarian, can't stand smoke, hates beer, and doesn't like parties or interracting with others. Essentially, his ENTIRE personality clashes with Japanese society.

I won't deny that he had some good points though. Japan has always presented itself as a squeaky-clean modern society with supposedly no problems whatsoever. I'd figure if you lived there for 5 years though, you'd start to see some issues that irked you.

Still, the entire tone of his articles makes it sound like he has a massive stick up his ass. I suppose his article sort of acts as a counterbalance to every "Japan is the greatest country ever" article ever written.

@Marlin Clock: thank you.
I wouldn't judge Kotaku from this personal column, Tim simply does a monthly column on whatever he feels like at Kotaku. He has written for various different sources, including Otaku U.S.A.'s video game console launch coverage. While Tim's writing is interesting to read, it is often too long and scatter brained. A lot of his points are good ones, at times even make sense, but for month periods of a time he gets to focused on one single point, often involving one single game, and somehow makes it seem like he despises it. I can understand how this happens, especially when playing a game for over 60 hours or something like that, it can start to be frustrating and he needs to vent how he feels by highlighting all the flaws and relating them to some other experience. This is what that entire column is about, Tim's life in Japan and what he has grown to dislike or what bothers him. Almost everyone has something, if not many things, that bother them where they live. Tim even admits that of all the places he has been, not one has he not found something that bothers him. I don't think it is that Tim hates Japan, he just has some things on his mind. His earlier statements in the article about anime and the past few years, are to be honest, pretty much true. As for the Dragon Ball comment, I can't say what is or isn't true. I enjoyed the manga, but I wouldn't go and consider Tim an otaku or avid manga reader, so his opinion and thoughts on manga might be off and different than that of someone who reads manga quite often.
Regardless, the moral of the story is, Kotaku is a video game blog and Tim has lately been abusing that fact, posting things largely irrelevant to video games lately. When he does have a column on strictly video games, it is much more concise and enjoyable to read.

That article was pretty bad. It shouldn't have been posted to Kotaku if that site had any coherent direction it was heading in. More and more I hear about how Kotaku is writing about the Oscars or how Avatar made a lot of money and none of that is ever peripherally related to the gaming industry or even Japan (which is still not even necessarily game related). This is a rant that should be put on a personal blog, cut in half to get rid of the rambling (which there is a lot of) and capped with "I'm probably moving soon".

As for the actual content, several of his points are completely stupid. A lot of it is clearly an American not able to adjust properly to living somewhere else. He even tries to colour himself as tolerant by saying he's moved a lot but that doesn't make him cosmopolitan, it just means he moves a lot.

I don't care what his article said or whatsoever, but DBZ is hardly the best manga there. Popular doesn't always translate to great/best (Twilight, anyone?) although DBZ is not as bad as people like to think it is.

@Mad March Harris: While posts irrelevant to Video Games and it's industry are quite often on Kotaku, I don't always see them as a bad thing or irrelevant. The title and small preview of the post should give you, the reader, an idea of what it is about. If you decide it is something you don't want to read, then feel free not to. It simply lets readers have a better understanding of the author and his views on things other than video games. The editor's notes to one another are also interesting to read, as they may give you insight to their lives and other experiences, which I personally don't mind reading. The major and prominent articles on Kotaku, which get the most hits, are their reviews and editorials (like the one of the one author's addiction to Everquest). Those are the articles you see with the largest images and at the top of the page, never do you see headlining articles that aren't somehow game related in those manners.

@ Brett

I don't read Kotaku but when I go to a site ostensibly about a specific topic and find frequent posts not even remotely related to that topic then it's a bad thing. I'm not looking for a news aggregator or I'd got to the BBC website, or in the case of Oscar results I'd got to IMDB.

And why would I care about a videogame reviewer's stance on anything but games? Yeah, I might like them as people like I do for a lot of the Destructoid staff but their personalities show through their writing and through the podcasts and web-presence. I should have to go out of my way to read about site staff and not have it shoved in my face.

I'm not saying Kotaku is a bad site (I think that but I'm not saying it) but they're doing things that a site billed as a "game news site" shouldn't be doing. They might just evolve into a "youth culture/popular media" site but then I really would just not give a shit about them in the least (even less than now). Just because the articles aren't bad or uninteresting doesn't mean that they should be posting them.

screw Rogers, One Piece is the shit.

Rogers is a god...we're talking about a guy who got a Bachelor's Degree in Chinese at the age of 19, owns a business, lives in Japan, speaks fluent Japanese, gets paid to write about video games, models for Japanese magazines, plays guitar in a Boris-type stoner rock band, and writes as though he has an IQ of 135. All this and he's in his 20's.

I don't have his dick in my mouth or anything, but THAT's a fucking list of accomplishments right there.

On-topic: exaggeration sometimes makes stuff fun to read, especially if it still retains a modicum of truth. I don't think he's attempting to insinuate that DBZ was the apex of old-school manga, rather, he's stressing how bad One Piece blows; a sort of "how the mighty have fallen" lament.

I was born in the late 90's so I was too young to even know what the words anime or manga meant back then, but I am of the opinion that, whilst anime and manga are nowhere near dead or dying, quality has definitely declined in so-called "mainstream" anime and manga over the 2000's. That being said there's still ridiculously awesome series like Black Lagoon and Code Geass, just gotta look for 'em...

Old anime was never better. There was just less of it as a whole and the shit that did exist is hard to find now. Even good old stuff like Gatchaman requires a specific mindset to appreciate. People with decent taste would tell me it's crappy (or hasn't aged well) but I still love it.

Really? If there's any manga that's more coherent than it should be it's One Piece, especially considering the length! A lot has happened in that series, and Oda doesn't forget anything or anyone. As silly as it is, it's incredibly well planned out.

As for that article...it took me a long time to just skim it. I can't imagine how long it'd take to actually read the whole thing. A lot of his complaints just seem like stuff he can't get used to because he's a foreigner, which is understandable, but makes the article kind of pointless.

>> And that's why I don't read Kotaku.

This, x 9,000 + 1.

I stopped reading it two years ago, when I realized that they only published 90% shit.

With shit on top.

And a side dish of A-grade SHIT.

@MyakuX9:
Listing off his accomplishments doesn't really prove anything relevant. All it says to me is he's a lucky workaholic. Writing "as though he has an IQ of 135" just comes with practice, and it isn't a good indicator of intelligence. Some people write eloquently but are completely wrong.
Exaggeration can make things fun to read, but it doesn't make anything more true or false. It sounds like he's insulting One Piece, certainly, but exalting DBZ at the same time. He says that other manga aspired to match it, and that sounds like the description of an apex to me. "How the mighty have fallen" doesn't quite describe it; sounds like more of a "holier than thou".
Just reading the anime bit of that post, he seems pretty arrogant, but interestingly he seems like he's trying not to be...almost. What really amuses me is the line directly before the ones Karen quoted: he says anime these days are "just guys with huge hair and impossible weapons shouting jargon." Wait a minute, that sounds like something familiar! (Hint: it's DBZ.)

If you want to read, I made sort of a counter post on J-List. There's some good discussion on my blog post too -- more comments than I've ever seen, actually. http://peterpayne.net

One thing was telling to me: he seems to have issues with people who enjoy drinking alcohol. Not just that he doesn't drink, he is capable of anger and/or defensiveness because they did not drink alcohol, and if I've learned one thing from living in Japan almost 19 years (ack! shouldn't have counted) it's that people who either can't have a social drink or two, or who can't relax with a glass of oolong tea while others have fun, should probably not try to live here. (Visit all you like though.)

And MyakuX9, props for good comments. I'm going to try to get that image out of my head now...

@peterinjapan - he clearly states he is allergic to alcohol and that is why he doesn't drink it. He just gets frustrated that people in Japan push it on him, but don't understand that if he does drink it he will get sick. That's called being rude, regardless of which culture your in.

Well DBZ was never exactly GREAT storytelling, it's story lines were just mostly about alien threats trying to conquer earth, fighting, bloodshed, and powering up

Sort of like an RPG now that I think about it

@MadMarchHarris: ...and capped with "I'm probably moving soon".

You know how Woody Allen movies are all about how awful being a neurotic person living in New York can be, and moving out of New York just isn't an option? This article was like that, but without the benefit of being funny.

I mean, I seriously doubt anyone told him that being a salaryman would be just SO AWESOME, so I'm not sure why he chooses to bitch about it.

I'm kind of stuck on the fact that Rogers IQ is apparently public knowledge. I'm suspicious of anyone who's eager to tell people their IQ for some reason.

Hey hey, don't forget how he feels the need to mention that he totally hangs out with a group of like-minded individuals who are against the man. He's like, a rebel, dudes!

I admit DBZ was like, I guess my first anime, but I know its far from the best of ANYTHING.. The "Buu Saga" was just stupid and an utter waste of time

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