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8:30 AM on 12.13.2010
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Seriously?!?! This type bill passed?!?! Is this some kind of a joke or what?! Those other industries that are free from the ban also depict what these banned industries do depict. In fact, with the involvement of true human form influences people more than animated ones. This is an obvious discrimination. Yes, this is only in Tokyo.... but this action is the beginning of the spread of a discriminative act... I fear that this might start the death of anime, manga, and games in Japan if this act would be further encouraged.
G** d*****...
It's pretty obvious this is going to be abused as all hell and biased against specifically anime and manga given it's exemption status it's giving to all live-action crap.
And I used to think the democrat takeover of congress was the worst thing that could happen...
It's pretty obvious this is going to be abused as all hell and biased against specifically anime and manga given it's exemption status it's giving to all live-action crap.
And I used to think the democrat takeover of congress was the worst thing that could happen...
I'll hold in my rage until the bill inevitably gets passed in a day or two, but this is still a travesty. Its a sad day when any form of media that dares to be different gets creatively stunted by idiots who probably don't know the first thing about it.
Get your Black Market Anime and Manga here! Anime and Manga! The ancients once read and watched these for entertainment before the government censored it all to Hell. Get your Black Market Anime and Manga here!
@ShadowMountain
And you expect the absence of fanservice and ecchi to be replaced by deep plot and characterization...how?
While yes, anime that use H as a crutch would be less likely to reach production, that doesn't suddenly make deep anime more popular or profitable. Instead the bill might well kill those shallow, profitable anime that make studios the money they need to fund auteur productions.
You're making the mistake of thinking that people will naturally gravitate to "better" work once the stuff they like is banned. That's simply not true. If all TV programs except Dancing with the Stars or some other crap were erased from the earth, you still can't assume that Dancing's ratings would suddenly skyrocket. Sure, the fans would still watch, as would some other people that have nothing better to do, but for the most part people would just stop watching TV at all.
No, no no. You think you're supporting a restriction on smut, but what you're actually doing is tacitly approving the policing of thought. What if the TMG decided that a show like Redline "grossly exaggerated and glorified" the influence of criminal activity in competitive racing? Harmful! Banned!
What if the TMG decided that Eden of the East supported terrorism? Harmful! Banned!
MAKE NO MISTAKE. It will NOT stop at sex. Ishihara practically shouted it to the heavens. Anything that doesn't align with his moral compass (INCLUDING homosexuals), he will attempt to eventually expand this bill to cover.
If you like anime with deep plots and characterization, anime that are actually good, then those anime WILL, somehow, somewhere, offend SOMEONE. Otherwise it would be a bland piece of crap devoid of artistic merit and substance. And if that someone has the power to deem anything potentially offensive as "harmful", that screws EVERYONE over, not just the people who like to use fanservice and H as a profitable crutch.
You'd best rethink your statement very carefully.
And you expect the absence of fanservice and ecchi to be replaced by deep plot and characterization...how?
While yes, anime that use H as a crutch would be less likely to reach production, that doesn't suddenly make deep anime more popular or profitable. Instead the bill might well kill those shallow, profitable anime that make studios the money they need to fund auteur productions.
You're making the mistake of thinking that people will naturally gravitate to "better" work once the stuff they like is banned. That's simply not true. If all TV programs except Dancing with the Stars or some other crap were erased from the earth, you still can't assume that Dancing's ratings would suddenly skyrocket. Sure, the fans would still watch, as would some other people that have nothing better to do, but for the most part people would just stop watching TV at all.
No, no no. You think you're supporting a restriction on smut, but what you're actually doing is tacitly approving the policing of thought. What if the TMG decided that a show like Redline "grossly exaggerated and glorified" the influence of criminal activity in competitive racing? Harmful! Banned!
What if the TMG decided that Eden of the East supported terrorism? Harmful! Banned!
MAKE NO MISTAKE. It will NOT stop at sex. Ishihara practically shouted it to the heavens. Anything that doesn't align with his moral compass (INCLUDING homosexuals), he will attempt to eventually expand this bill to cover.
If you like anime with deep plots and characterization, anime that are actually good, then those anime WILL, somehow, somewhere, offend SOMEONE. Otherwise it would be a bland piece of crap devoid of artistic merit and substance. And if that someone has the power to deem anything potentially offensive as "harmful", that screws EVERYONE over, not just the people who like to use fanservice and H as a profitable crutch.
You'd best rethink your statement very carefully.
The bill will come into effect next July. I expect the months leading to it to host the heaviest fanservice ever conceived.
God the descriptions vague. What's the borderline? Is anything onwards from nipple exposure banned, or is anything from brief underwear shots banned? Or, god forbid, more than 1cm of cleavage????!!!!
brb, re-organizing Japan holiday from Tokyo to Osaka...
brb, re-organizing Japan holiday from Tokyo to Osaka...
@harblmonger: +1
@bobmarleypeople: They'd probably have to judge it by pixels in the case of anime, since inches would be too relative to the size of the user's screen.
@bobmarleypeople: They'd probably have to judge it by pixels in the case of anime, since inches would be too relative to the size of the user's screen.
I'm shocked, even if I don't watch ecchi or hentai. This is no fun. Now there will be no more ecchi anime to make fun of...
No wait, this just concerns stuff that is illegal IRL, such as incest and rape, right. It might not have THAT much of an effect on 'normal' fanservice. But I think themes such as rape and incest should be able to be portayed in media, as long as it is treated in a mature way. I'm afraid all I can say is 'Wait and see...'
Oh, and what part of Panty and Stocking 'glorifies' illegal acts of sex?
No wait, this just concerns stuff that is illegal IRL, such as incest and rape, right. It might not have THAT much of an effect on 'normal' fanservice. But I think themes such as rape and incest should be able to be portayed in media, as long as it is treated in a mature way. I'm afraid all I can say is 'Wait and see...'
Oh, and what part of Panty and Stocking 'glorifies' illegal acts of sex?
They need a writers strike. Grind Japan's entertainment industry to a grinding halt and see what the government does about that!
I'm not overly concerned with this actually. It is, of course, a horrible precedent, an insult to free speech and rights to harmless entertainment, but business will eventually trump it. As bobmarleypeople joked, it wont take long for companies that actually want to create freely, or continue to make their usual profits to relocate, since this is only a city ordinance. Even considering the vast amount of businesses in Tokyo, a large market moving out will be noticeable, and a blow like that isn't something politicians in other areas will be anxious to repeat having seen Tokyo's example.
@Aquagaze
Panty and Stocking look a lot like minors to some folks, and the bill no longer has a specific age range. If someone decided that the Panty looked too young (a distinct possibility considering that episode where they enrolled in a high school), they could view her promiscuity as illegal and decide that her being a total slut was harmful.
Also, the entire show has this tendency to glorify and exaggerate pretty much everything about itself.
This is how dangerously vague the bill is. Pretty much anything could be placed under its purview.
Panty and Stocking look a lot like minors to some folks, and the bill no longer has a specific age range. If someone decided that the Panty looked too young (a distinct possibility considering that episode where they enrolled in a high school), they could view her promiscuity as illegal and decide that her being a total slut was harmful.
Also, the entire show has this tendency to glorify and exaggerate pretty much everything about itself.
This is how dangerously vague the bill is. Pretty much anything could be placed under its purview.
@Josh Tolentino: So, that means Kuroko's antics in Railgun would also fall under this bill?
OH IT'S ON JAPANESE GOVERNMENT!
But I have no idea what we can do... despair...
OH IT'S ON JAPANESE GOVERNMENT!
But I have no idea what we can do... despair...
We need a word that is the exact opposite of GLORIO...all we can do now is wait til tomorrow or wednesday. We will pull through this ladies and gents. even if it means starting an Ero Anonymous for those who need it.
It is censorship but is anybody really sad that there won't be anymore KissXsis animes or incest animes and that studios will actually have to try to create something new instead of going to the latest otaku fetish?
@deathbymoe
No, nobody will lament their passing. The true sadness comes from the fact that the bill is so vague, and depends entirely upon the evaluation of politicians who have been obvious with their extremely conservative (and lets be honest, ignorant) views of the world. The whole argument of loli-is-child-pornography is only a foot in the door for them to use a vague bill to force their extreme views into law.
No, nobody will lament their passing. The true sadness comes from the fact that the bill is so vague, and depends entirely upon the evaluation of politicians who have been obvious with their extremely conservative (and lets be honest, ignorant) views of the world. The whole argument of loli-is-child-pornography is only a foot in the door for them to use a vague bill to force their extreme views into law.
@deathbymoe
This doesn't just ban the likes of KissXSis. Berserk, Great Teacher Onizuka, Golden Boy and many others would have likely fallen victim to this due to sexual content, plus this opens the door to just about any 'illegal' or 'harmful' activity -sexual or otherwise- in an anime/manga resulting in a ban.
Is homosexual content harmful to the development of youth? No more yuri or yaoi. Is the glorification of stealing harmful? No more Lupin. Is the elephant dance harmful? No more Shin-Chan.
Anything and everything can somehow be seen in a negative, harmful light. That is the power of interpretation.
This doesn't just ban the likes of KissXSis. Berserk, Great Teacher Onizuka, Golden Boy and many others would have likely fallen victim to this due to sexual content, plus this opens the door to just about any 'illegal' or 'harmful' activity -sexual or otherwise- in an anime/manga resulting in a ban.
Is homosexual content harmful to the development of youth? No more yuri or yaoi. Is the glorification of stealing harmful? No more Lupin. Is the elephant dance harmful? No more Shin-Chan.
Anything and everything can somehow be seen in a negative, harmful light. That is the power of interpretation.
@Sotanaht
Umm, I'll lament their passing.If not just based upon the fact that they should be allowed to exist. Besides, Kissxsis is hilarious who cares about the sexual half of it, embarrassing situations FTW!
Umm, I'll lament their passing.If not just based upon the fact that they should be allowed to exist. Besides, Kissxsis is hilarious who cares about the sexual half of it, embarrassing situations FTW!
Ugh...triumph of the double standard, as live-action photographs/film, and books, can get away with representing the exact same content SCOTT FREE. So to draw people engaged in an illegal sex act is apparenly worse than having two real people act it out, is what they're saying. Did the supporters of the bill ever have to explain themselves on that point?
I'm not sure how possible it is for something to get repealed (in America, it would be taken to trial by someone as unconstitutional, but I don't know how these things play out in the Japanese political sphere), but I hope it gets smashed somehow. Otherwise, I hope that Japanese publishers do the brave thing and basically jack Tokyo over where it hurts them the most: in revenue, by moving their businesses elsewhere, at least on a level that makes them technically exempt. And you know websites are going to pop up to serve the afflicted readership, of that I have no worries.
It feels like those voting on this were browbeaten by the bill's supporters and painted in a negative light if they stood up for it - that is, the old "we're thinking of the children, and you're supporting depravity!", instead of what it really is, "We're trying to curtail freedom of speech in a way that will get us public support and votes, and you're taking on the unenviable role of trying to protect free speech for some unsavory things."
Since the sale of all these materials is already restricted, this bill isn't going to make any difference at all in who can access/is accessing such content. All it's going to do is burn publishers. I don't know if it's an over-reaction, but it feels like this tantamount to how bad it will be if the Supreme Court here in the U.S. sides with California on the violent video games trial, deciding that games aren't protected speech and that additional regulation can be placed on their content and sale by lawmakers.
I'm not sure how possible it is for something to get repealed (in America, it would be taken to trial by someone as unconstitutional, but I don't know how these things play out in the Japanese political sphere), but I hope it gets smashed somehow. Otherwise, I hope that Japanese publishers do the brave thing and basically jack Tokyo over where it hurts them the most: in revenue, by moving their businesses elsewhere, at least on a level that makes them technically exempt. And you know websites are going to pop up to serve the afflicted readership, of that I have no worries.
It feels like those voting on this were browbeaten by the bill's supporters and painted in a negative light if they stood up for it - that is, the old "we're thinking of the children, and you're supporting depravity!", instead of what it really is, "We're trying to curtail freedom of speech in a way that will get us public support and votes, and you're taking on the unenviable role of trying to protect free speech for some unsavory things."
Since the sale of all these materials is already restricted, this bill isn't going to make any difference at all in who can access/is accessing such content. All it's going to do is burn publishers. I don't know if it's an over-reaction, but it feels like this tantamount to how bad it will be if the Supreme Court here in the U.S. sides with California on the violent video games trial, deciding that games aren't protected speech and that additional regulation can be placed on their content and sale by lawmakers.
@deathbymoe
You're making the same mistake ShadowMountain did...almost. You're assuming that these studios will actually "try something different", and you're also assuming that if/when they do try it, the "different" will automatically be "better".
Plus, you're also assuming that the "better" will be enough to support the industry. Sad though it may be, I believe you're overestimating the audience a tad.
You're making the same mistake ShadowMountain did...almost. You're assuming that these studios will actually "try something different", and you're also assuming that if/when they do try it, the "different" will automatically be "better".
Plus, you're also assuming that the "better" will be enough to support the industry. Sad though it may be, I believe you're overestimating the audience a tad.
Bypassing the obvious argument that they deserve free speech.... won't this kill entire industries? I mean, what happens to Comiket once all the artists can't put sex into their works? Are we banning all
Not to mention the people who try and pass this thing will be killing their otaku vote...
I suppose to counter-act this they could put in the "if it can be considered art, not porn, then it doesn't count" thing. But then, not only is that also too vague, it pretty much counteracts the entire bill, since I could choose to enjoy a artists work for their art, regardless if that art happens to be a naked lady.
Not to mention the people who try and pass this thing will be killing their otaku vote...
I suppose to counter-act this they could put in the "if it can be considered art, not porn, then it doesn't count" thing. But then, not only is that also too vague, it pretty much counteracts the entire bill, since I could choose to enjoy a artists work for their art, regardless if that art happens to be a naked lady.
Well this sucks.
But seriously, I can't stand how unbelievably vague this poor excuse of a law is. If this passes, this essentially kills anime and manga. I mean, it's not that hard ad all to find some close-minded old bastard who would find any piece of anime/manga to be sexually offensive.
Hell, look at it this way, if this law passed, every Gainax show ever made would be banned. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.
This "bill" is unreasonable and should never have been forwarded in the first place. Japan is essentially shooting one of its most internationally popular mediums in the foot, and then starving it for good measure.
But seriously, I can't stand how unbelievably vague this poor excuse of a law is. If this passes, this essentially kills anime and manga. I mean, it's not that hard ad all to find some close-minded old bastard who would find any piece of anime/manga to be sexually offensive.
Hell, look at it this way, if this law passed, every Gainax show ever made would be banned. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.
This "bill" is unreasonable and should never have been forwarded in the first place. Japan is essentially shooting one of its most internationally popular mediums in the foot, and then starving it for good measure.
This ridiculously vague language in the bill is going to ruin the future of entertainment in Japan and the world. What if other countries pick this **** up? This gives the board free reign and TOO much discretion with no checks and balances. This will not be applied to just sexual images but anything they don't like or agree with.
Who else sees this applied to political dissent or values not currently accepted in society in the future?
This has far-reaching economic and social consequences and those who pass this are only seeing as far as the tip of their nose.
Who else sees this applied to political dissent or values not currently accepted in society in the future?
This has far-reaching economic and social consequences and those who pass this are only seeing as far as the tip of their nose.
If this go's though would it make it illegal for content that owners that already have? sally if this goes though it would partly ruin the japans anime,manga, game industry. I don't see it as a bill to kill them off just to keep in more tame and more censers that would be in use. it sound dub of them to do this and make it look like there industry will have to take a big step back during the romantic era type human standardizers. It would make more sense for this bill to be more of a protect minors from adult content like funding for a safe internet like chinas that is based on a uk safe internet scheme. this safe internet scheme would only be in affect in the country it was set up and would mean that westerners would have to set
Fortunately for me, everything affected in this bill I care about either already falls out of its jurisdiction or will have elements that it can do without.
guys, you're misunderestimating this bill.
As much as i oppose this, the effects of it won't kill the anime industry.
shows like To-Love Ru will survive and be made. But they'll be less riskier and at the same time, they'll be +18 instead of +15, which i don't mind.
But the bill is still stupid because it's very stereotypical and it will affect Japanese anime in terms of economy. Japan needs its anime to survive as a cultural superpower just like how Britain needs the Beatles, Rolling Stones and Rave music to survive as a cultural superpower.
Also, the bill is unenforcable. If it is, wait until the Japanese economy takes a huge downturn. You'll also see a closure of 1/3 of shops in Akihabara, and Akiba will look like Detroit within a few months after that.
I bet the bill will be either ignored or repealed because of the effects on the economy itself. The Japanese government would be scared to enforce this bill on public because of pressure from the investors in the anime and manga industry at stock markets.
And since this only affects Tokyo, i'll expect a rise in indie anime studios within a few years in Kyoto and Hokkaido, just like the French New Wave and New Hollywood scenes popping up after strict censorship laws in both France & USA in the 50s and 60s.
The industry would survive somehow.
As much as i oppose this, the effects of it won't kill the anime industry.
shows like To-Love Ru will survive and be made. But they'll be less riskier and at the same time, they'll be +18 instead of +15, which i don't mind.
But the bill is still stupid because it's very stereotypical and it will affect Japanese anime in terms of economy. Japan needs its anime to survive as a cultural superpower just like how Britain needs the Beatles, Rolling Stones and Rave music to survive as a cultural superpower.
Also, the bill is unenforcable. If it is, wait until the Japanese economy takes a huge downturn. You'll also see a closure of 1/3 of shops in Akihabara, and Akiba will look like Detroit within a few months after that.
I bet the bill will be either ignored or repealed because of the effects on the economy itself. The Japanese government would be scared to enforce this bill on public because of pressure from the investors in the anime and manga industry at stock markets.
And since this only affects Tokyo, i'll expect a rise in indie anime studios within a few years in Kyoto and Hokkaido, just like the French New Wave and New Hollywood scenes popping up after strict censorship laws in both France & USA in the 50s and 60s.
The industry would survive somehow.
@Taufiq: Oh, God I hope you're right. I think all we can do is just wait and hope for the best. Maybe this isn't all that bad. Maybe innocent shows will be spared and this will only apply to hentai/eroge...
That, or we're all gonna die.
That, or we're all gonna die.
@ShadowMountain When you restrict the straight up dirty, artists are gonna lash back with excessive ecchi, seeing as they cant have their quality of H-Stuff anymore, because even though its not exactly an up for humanity, sex sells. Expect more Seikon no Qwaser. :]
Since dirty anime & manga fuel Japan's economy, you'd think they wouldn't attack something like this. All that is going on is a knee-jerk reaction that probably would have been prevented if people just pulled their heads out of their @#*es.
Taufiq makes a good point. & it still has to get past the Full Assembly vote, so there's a chance it won't be law. We just have to wait & see....
As shitty and detrimental that this bill could be to certain core parts of anime/manga, perhaps it'll bring on a new era in anime and manga media. I learned that when the film industry in hollywood was put under similar extreme censorship, the writers of that time began to use to truly creative methods in writing to sneak past innuendo. Hopefully.......
I think you should reword the title of this article. It seems like people are taking this as the bill already passing. Bills in the U.S. Congress have often come out of committee but still never got past the floor.
The big thing here is.... it's a big discriminative act.... For it is specified only to those of anime, manga, and games.... or basically pointing a gun to the heads of "otakus"..... All of those elements restricted by this bill(which is in the revision of this bill includes stuff "far from reality" or basically, fantasy genre) are also evidently present on other industries but they specifically pin-pointed those industries not to be touched by this bill. That alone is an obvious and a "no-brainer" discrimination. If they would do a ban at least do it equally to all and not just to selected industries....
>>About the only saving grace to this fiasco would be that the bill is technically restricted to Tokyo only.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Oh god.
You should have made that the first sentence.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Oh god.
You should have made that the first sentence.
