Kimi ni Todoke discussion

[DickMcVengeance]

May as well put these forums to good use. So down below, we'll be talking about Kimi ni Todoke and gushing over the latest episode. So beware, spoilers and screencaps abound.

[DickMcVengeance]

So yeah, KnT 7 nearly killed me. I'm so glad the episode was drama-free, after all that heart-wrenching that went on with the last several episodes. I can't wait to watch this episode again with some of my friends.

[MarlinClock]

It was awesome, like reading a chapter of Yotsuba with the nonstop smiles.

I just had to replay the part where Yano was messing with Kazehaya, that was brilliant.

[KarenGellender]

Is it wrong that I'm hoping that Kurumi will fall down a well and die before she's even been properly introduced?

[EuricaeriS]

Is it wrong that I'm hoping that Kurumi will fall down a well and die before she's even been properly introduced?

Only if we can spend an entire episode on Sawako and Kazehaya being all d'AWWWWWWWWWWWWWW :3

[seltzermx]

@Karen: it is very wrong. We're not entirely sure she's evil. What if it turns out she has a crush on Sadako? Now that would be a very interesting love triangle.

[DickMcVengeance]

@Karen: it is very wrong. We're not entirely sure she's evil. What if it turns out she has a crush on Sadako? Now that would be a very interesting love triangle.

That's not going to happen. This isn't Sasameki Koto. Anyways, Cookie-kun won't allow it.

[Ace0fClub5]

I really hope this show takes an alternate story acrh as compaired to most of the same genre.
And I could probably just find out online right now or find the manga, but no. I will wait.

[seltzermx]

Well I stand corrected. This most recent episode implies the rage that is starting to grow in Kurumi.

P.S. Sadako kicking the rock around is quite possibly the cutest thing they've done in the series so far.

[MarlinClock]

Yeah, I was sensing some genuine anger from the girl.

I really hope they get together soon, this stuff is killing me.

[KarenGellender]

Stupid Kurumi! Kazehaya better be too smart to fall for her tricks.

[Karmacon]

Aah KURUMI! What are you scheming?! It's going to drive me crazy!

[DickMcVengeance]

It's not like she'll be able to do anything. After all, Sawako is clearly the One Piece, and Kazehaya (who's the spitting image of Monkey D. Luffy) won't take his eyes off the prize for anyone or anything. We all know that.

[DickMcVengeance]

Ugh, I wanted to have a heart attack for the entirety of episode 9. Seriously, I can't wait for Kurumi to go full-on yandere towards Sawako. I'm beginning to wonder if Karen's wish for more fights in Kimi ni Todoke is going to come true by the end of the show.

[MarlinClock]

Argggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

Man, the tension can be cut with a damn spoon. Just get together already!

[KarenGellender]

I don't care how nice she's pretending to be now, I have a voodoo doll that looks like Kurumi all set up for the moment she starts pulling crap. I've got plenty of pins and I know how to use 'em.

[seltzermx]

Gaaahhhh! Why isn't it tomorrow yet!! I need more KnT!!

[seltzermx]

I have borne witness to Evil!!! And Evil's true name is Kurumi!!!!

[MarlinClock]

I've never really understood why there's a huge importance on the names you use has in Japan.

I guess it's just a western culture perspective thing.


Also, I love how the music underlies Kurumi's motive when she tries to talk Sawako out of talking to Kazehaya anymore. That girl needs to be put in her place soon.

[Lyfeforce]

Finally got caught up on all the episodes today.

Kurumizawa... wow. It's been a long time since I actively hated a fictional character this much.

[KarenGellender]

I knew I hated her for a reason.

I do love how Kurumi's insinuations flew so far above Sawako's head that they backfired completely. Of course, it seems like she's figured out how to manipulate Sawako now (grrrrrr....)

[Lyfeforce]

well, we're ten eps into the season, how long do y'all think we'll see the Kurumizawa arc last?

[Karmacon]

as long as her face can avoid my fist?

[seltzermx]

Wow, just as she was starting to seem human, Kurumi does that! Gah! How mnay more episodes are left? Anyone know how long its supposed to be?

[Lyfeforce]

Wow. I'm just going to have to go ahead and read the manga or light novels, 'cause now I want to see what's next of this conversation between evil chick and Sawako.

[MarlinClock]

Yano, now with the amazing power of creating hammerspace inside of a bun.

Seriously, there is no logical way all of that hair could fit into this.
http://metanorn.kokidokom.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/nh02_450770-500x281.jpg

[Mandril]

As far as I'm aware this show will have 24 episodes, so there's still plenty of romance and drama ahead :)

[seltzermx]

After today's episode, it really makes me think that there is only one left. Especially if you see the 5 second preview for next week's ep.

On a side note: Must. Kill. Kurumi. Must. Kill. Kurumi.

[KarenGellender]

Finally caught up on this show today- oooohhhh, Kurumi went too far this time. She's been pretty good up until now about being too subtle to be outed easily, but telling Kazehaya outright lies that can and will be contradicted by many people?

I like the fact that this will probably be dealt with in the form of Ayane doing something to screw Kurumi over. I can see Ayane thinking "Now I will show you what it really means to be a manipulative bitch, you amateur."

[seltzermx]

Yeah, too many lies, and very easily disproven by Ryu (I mean, come on, he doesn't even know her name), among others.

And I'm not sure Ayane will interfere. They keep hinting that Sawako isn't as meek as we initially thought, so I think she might actually settle things by herself, or at least the current situation they're in.

[seltzermx]

I hate this show! Its too adorably cute for its own good!

[MarlinClock]

Arghh, why can't they just get together already, this is killing me.

[Mandril]

I'm happy enough that she managed to acknowledge her feelings, even if it was only in an internal monologue.

Sawako is so foreign to things like love, it sometimes becomes a bit unrealistic and frustrating. With 10 episodes to go though, I think we've got enough to look forward to if the love is already acknowledged at this point.

[DickMcVengeance]

I'm just glad that Kurumi is getting punished like the wicked girl that she is. She gets no sympathy from me, and I died laughing when Pin disrespected her like he did. I found myself fist-pumping when that happened.

[seltzermx]

Yeah, the Pin scene was priceless, as well as her reaction to it. She really needs to get gonorrhea and die soon.

[kawaiiaya]

I got a bit annoyed with Pin's attitude for a bit until the recent episode where he rejects Kurumi. Great call now he's one of my favorites, my heart aches while I wait for the next episode. This show I don't even~ ;_;

[seltzermx]

I don't know why I felt kind of let down by this episode. It was definetely interesting, but it didn't have the awesomeness of last week's ep.

[Mad March Harris]

Knowing Sawako is probably going to forgive Kurumi makes me annoyed. It shows she's a better person than me but I knew Kurumi was a bitch from the instant they showed her skulking around and really enjoyed watching her get hers the past few episodes.

I'm excited to see Kazehaya finally get together with Sawako, though. Hopefully it won't be the finale and a bit of their relationship gets played on the show.

[kawaiiaya]

I still don't understand Kurumi as much in this episode but it shows how sweet and forgiving Sawako is. :3 There needs to be more Ayano and Chizu time.

[Karmacon]

Chizu FTW! she's my favorite character in the show now. . . . .

[Setre]

I don't know what it is about Kurumi but I actually kind of like her. She's an interesting character to me, even if she is a manipulative bitch, and I hope she actually tells Kazehaya her feelings at some point. She'll ultimately get rejected but at least she'll be able to move on, hell maybe she'll embrace Pin!

And I don't know about the rest of you but I almost teared up during the end of episode 14.

[Mandril]

Judging from the preview, there will be some sort of faceoff between Kurumi and Kazehaya next week. I recon Kurumi will personally confess her naughty scheming and live happily ever after, as an angel instead of a Demon Woman.

[DickMcVengeance]

God needs to strike Kurumi down with holy lightning already. She lost, and I want her to be gone. I just want 13 episodes of cuddling from this season.

[seltzermx]

I'm surprised they actually made Kurumi seem human in this ep (I still hate her, don't worry). That flashback was actually kinda sad. Though I felt much better in the scene right after her encounter with Pin. The evil started to bubble again, and so I felt better about despising her.

Anywho, what a great way to end the ep!

[Mandril]

I just want 13 episodes of cuddling from this season.After the heartwarming end to this week's episode, I completely agree.

I actually really like Kurumi now that she's more honest. She's one of the most realistic characters in this show.

[kawaiiaya]

I think I'm warming up to Kurumi a little bit only because I feel sorry for her. The latest episode is too much emotion for me to take. I think I almost had a heart attack watching the latest episode the other day.

[Setre]

I had a huge ass smile across my face this entire episode, so damn good. I think it's safe for me to say that Kurumi is now my favorite character. I never really had the disdain a lot of you seemed to have for her, sure she was manipulative and sort of a bitch but maybe I'm drawn to those types of women. Anyway I hope her and Sawako eventually become friends through their rivalry.

When Funi licenses Kimi ni Todoke I'm going to pre-order the DVDs day one. Hopefully they'll give us some delicious blu-ray as well. Sure nothings been said about the anime getting licensed but we've already got the manga so hopefully if that does well Funi, or someone else, will pick it up.

[DickMcVengeance]

When Funi licenses Kimi ni Todoke I'm going to pre-order the DVDs day one. Hopefully they'll give us some delicious blu-ray as well. Sure nothings been said about the anime getting licensed but we've already got the manga so hopefully if that does well Funi, or someone else, will pick it up.

I'd actually like to think that Viz will pick it up, since they really should get into the anime game more. Who knows.

Anyways, still can't feel sympathy for Kurumi. I'll laugh at her for a few more episodes, especially with them hammering home the Pin x Kurumi stuff. That's just too hilarious for me.

[seltzermx]

Yep, no sympathy here either. She's still the spawn of satan.

[Setre]

I think I'm probably the only one who genuinely likes Kurumi. Not only do I see people bashing her all across the internet but there's no wallpapers of her! I are sad. Oh well, the current screencap I have of her will do for now until have more time to do a better search.

[Mandril]

I think I'm probably the only one who genuinely likes Kurumi. Not only do I see people bashing her all across the internet but there's no wallpapers of her! I are sad. Oh well, the current screencap I have of her will do for now until have more time to do a better search.I'm with ya, brother! I might make a couple wallpoopers of her soon.

[kawaiiaya]

I think I'm probably the only one who genuinely likes Kurumi. Not only do I see people bashing her all across the internet but there's no wallpapers of her! I are sad. Oh well, the current screencap I have of her will do for now until have more time to do a better search.

you're not alone Yashoki loves Kurumi, he has always been by her side calling her an angel. The recent episode makes me believe how much she made an impact on him.

[Setre]

I'm with ya, brother! I might make a couple wallpoopers of her soon.

If you do make some post them here my friend.


you're not alone Yashoki loves Kurumi, he has always been by her side calling her an angel. The recent episode makes me believe how much she made an impact on him.

Glad to see I'm not the only one who lurves her.

[Mad March Harris]

I want to dislike Kurumi more but if I had a legitimate reason to she'd be badly written. I don't like her because she's a conniving manipulative...whatever, but she has redeeming qualities as well and would be a really strong character if she got out of Sawako's way.

On an unrelated note, has anyone here seen Bokura ga Ita? For some reason this show has been reminding me of it quite a bit. Though the people in Bokura ga Ita are a lot meaner and more dysfunctional than the cast of Kimi ni Todoke.

[MarlinClock]

I liked her being her real self at the end of the episode. I still don't like her like I like Sawako, but I like her character.

[Setre]

Episode 16 was a re-cap but it was good, we got to see the little men!

Next episode looks to be awesome.

[seltzermx]

Gahhhh, soooo clooooosee!!!! They were this close >--< !!!

[Mandril]

Gahhhh, soooo clooooosee!!!! They were this close >--< !!!They were! HNNNNNGGGGG!!!

Nice episode though. Finally everyone starts pushing the two of them to take it to the next level.

[MarlinClock]

Darn it! HHHNNNGGGin' through the roof here, people.

Also, I loved Ryuu's reaction to Pedro. That's how I'd be if there was a little dog near me any day of the week. Makes me miss home a little, but it was precious.

[u_nick]

Loved loved loved episode 17.

I was a teeny bit disheartened after the Clipshow/16, but 17 brought back the sweetness, and just kept multiplying it throughout the duration. Above and beyond for this episode. Next week is too far away!

[kawaiiaya]

OH GOD PEDRO and RYU SPARKLY EYES. I loved every min of this episode. It's insane how close they were near the end of that episode. HNNNNNG it's so much emotion.

[Mad March Harris]

I very much enjoyed this episode. It's great how adorable Ryu and Maru were despite having almost no lines of dialogue. Sawako's parents are also very amusing.

[Karmacon]

okay, i changed my mind after this episode. Ryu is now my favorite character in the show.

[KarenGellender]

I'm all caught up now: Snowed in +unlimited hot coffee +Kimi ni Todoke marathon= AMAZING.

I think the episodes dealing with Kurumi's character did a good job of getting you to understand her without making excuses for what she did. Like, I understand now why she is the way she is, but I didn't get the feeling that the show was hitting me over the head with how wronged she had been and I needed to have sympathy for her, etc. etc. etc. I can understand her without rationalizing away all of the shit that she pulled.

The thing that really surprised me was that when Kurumi said "I'm so much more in love with him than you are" to Sawako, I totally believed it- in a way Kurumi needs him more. Sawako sees the best in people, thus she and Kazehaya are alike that way; Kurumi sees the worst in people, so she needs to believe very badly that a good person like Kazehaya might care about her. Furthermore, in a way Sawako "used" Kurumi when she confessed her feelings to her, giving credence to Kurumi's earlier comment that everyone uses everyone else.

I didn't get the little elf-dudes in episode 16, but on the whole I'm still madly in love with this show.

[MarlinClock]

Man, now this episode was depressing. I feel really sorry for Ryuu. Plus, domestic violence outta nowhere.


I didn't get the little elf-dudes in episode 16, but on the whole I'm still madly in love with this show.
I was a bit disappointed with the whole recap thing they had there, but episode 17 made up for that. The elf dudes are from Pin, if you remember. He claimed to see them after he got drunk and he blamed it on Sawako because of the whole staring curse.

[kawaiiaya]

ahhh I'm heartbroken again :( this won't look good for Ryuu I really adore him, but he doesn't seem to care as long as Chizu is happy. Sawako had many great expressions in this one.

[u_nick]

Yeah, 18 was definitely heartbreaking.

Ryuu's great, and you cant help wish the best for him. My guess is they would go one or two ways with this:

POSSIBLE SPOILERS

1. Chizu starts dating Ryuu's brother, is happy, and Ryuu is simply happy that she is happy
2. Ryuu's brother shows up with new girlfriend/fiance/wife, Chizu is heartbroken, Ryuu consoles (or not). Ryuu jumping in right away after a heartbreak would be awkward. Something making Chizu realize she loves Ryuu just as much or more would be nice.

END POSSIBLE SPOILERS

Whichever way they take it, it will be interesting. i would think any option needs to be very precise with no room for errors. Of course, knowing KnT, I have no fear that they'd screw up. :D

[MarlinClock]

They sure are progressing through time quickly, now. It seemed like each episode could be less than a day in the Kurumi arc, and now they're skipping from october to november all the way to new years in three episodes.

[seltzermx]

This was a very sweet/sad episode. Really makes me wonder if anything will end up happening with Ryu. Seems like she really had her heart set on Tohru.

[MarlinClock]

It seems from what they showed this episode that he's eight years older than her. No wonder he never thought of her as anything but a little sister.

[seltzermx]

It seems from what they showed this episode that he's eight years older than her. No wonder he never thought of her as anything but a little sister.

Cradle robbing FTW!!

[u_nick]

19 was a bit of what I expected. I didnt HATE the episode, but it did show me how in love with Sawako & Kazehaya's story. I love the side characters in this show a LOT, dont get me wrong. Probably one of my favorite supporting casts in all of anime. But with them in the spotlight, I deeply missed Sawako & Kazehaya. The few seconds when theirs eyes met when the girl's arrived at Ryu's house was easily my favorite few seconds of the show.

Again, I didnt hate the rest, just felt like it was missing something.

[seltzermx]

What a great episode. The story is finally back on track!

Oh, and the wicked witch will be back!!

[MarlinClock]

Arrg, I was killing myself that entire episode. Sawako, what're ya doin' to me?

[KarenGellender]

Awww, Sawako is just like her Daddy:).

[MarlinClock]

Curse you, Sawako's Dad! Who just goes and ruins the surprise for a Christmas present anyway?


As an aside, am I the only person that gets kinda bugged by the Japanese use of Christmas as a purely secular giftgiving holiday?

[KarenGellender]

As an aside, am I the only person that gets kinda bugged by the Japanese use of Christmas as a purely secular giftgiving holiday?

I like the Japanese interpretation of Christmas, but that probably has a lot to do with the fact that I'm not Christian- I could see where it could be annoying if Christmas has a different meaning to you.

[seltzermx]

I like the Japanese interpretation of Christmas, but that probably has a lot to do with the fact that I'm not Christian- I could see where it could be annoying if Christmas has a different meaning to you.

Hmmmm, not annoying, but awkward to see it being used that way. Like, why pick up that holiday given its meaning? Valentines sure; its about expressing love and blah blah blah (and commercialism now). But given Christmas' religious origins/purpose, its just strange to see it being adopted.

[Mandril]

I really like the japanese interpretation of christmas! If I can believe the anime shows I've seen, it's about giving something personal to those you love instead of the commercialised american version.

I also really like Japanese valentines day, which is all about giving away chocolates to people you (even slightly) like.

Anyway, about this week's episode, you can quite clearly tell Sawako has grown much less insecure than she previously was, but there's still a long way to go.
I hope Kazehaya stops saying "HHMMM" ('Yes') while nodding/smiling to everything Sawako says, because that makes me want to punch his face off. All in all I'm just desperately waiting on some major plot progression.

[MarlinClock]

I don't see how that's that much different from the commercialized version, I mean as far as I've seen from anime Christmas(besides Big O) you never see hide nor tail of Jesus, y'know, the reason there's a holiday to begin with?

I guess this is just me being a grumpy Catholic.

[Mandril]

The reason I'd call something commercialised is because every american seems to recieve 500 dollar in gift cards every christmas (atleast, that's what I hear every year). Commercialised christmas is, in my eyes, an evening where the family gets together and everyone is obligated to splash the cash and buys expensive gifts for no particular reason.

It's not like it's one or the other. Christmas can be non-religious without being commecialised. From what I've seen in anime (which may be a bad standard to base my assumptions on, but whatever) Japanese christmas is much more personal, mostly about having a great time with the person(s) you love. For example, the only gifts Sawako gives are homemade, the only thing she requests is a pencilcase. Her dad decides to give some more, but that probably has alot to do with her birthday being the week after...

From what I can tell, Japanese christmas is their most romantic day of the year (not valentines day) atleast, that's what romantic/drama animes always lead up to >.<

[KarenGellender]

I don't see how that's that much different from the commercialized version, I mean as far as I've seen from anime Christmas(besides Big O) you never see hide nor tail of Jesus, y'know, the reason there's a holiday to begin with?

I guess this is just me being a grumpy Catholic.

For better or for worse, Christmas has an existence now that's completely apart from Jesus. Jesus doesn't really play a role in my life, but Christmas absolutely does, and it's like that for millions upon millions of people.

I'm not saying it's right, or that you're wrong for feeling that your holiday has been co-opted, but Christmas means so many different things to different people at this point that seeing it completely divorced from Christianity doesn't surprise me.

@Mandril: You want to PUNCH Kazeyhaya??? LET'S FISTICUFFS.

[Mandril]

Yeah, because Kazehaya responds to everything Sawako says with that dumb exaggerated smile on his face. I guess this is a minor pet peeve, but there are more subtle and realistic ways to show that Kazehaya appreciates Sawako's company.

Sometimes they're just making Kazehaya a bit too much like Prince Charming, which I think is a wrong way to approach things. I'd rather have a more dramatic and realistic show rather than a female wish-fulfillment fantasy.
When they hint towards Kazehaya's weaknesses, those are my favorite moments in the show (they've eluded several times to the fact that Kazehaya loses control over himself in romantic/tense situations).

[DickMcVengeance]

God dammit. The bitch is back next episode.

[PhantomOfTheKnight]

...just started this series; won't read anything till I catch up. (...that's gonna take a while...)

[MarlinClock]

Oh god, Makeover-Sawako. The HHHNNNNGGG's never stop.

[Mandril]

Throughout 75% of this week's episode I thought "Goddamnit, nothing's going to happen in this episode"
But then, the last minute made it totally worth it.

[MarlinClock]

It looks like we're hitting the final stretch here. I'm suspecting HNNG readings off the charts by the end of it.

[seltzermx]

Those final scenes with dressed up Sawako pretty much filled my HHHNNNNGGG quota for life.

Thank god Kurumi's role was pretty much non-existent in this ep.

[u_nick]

Yup, make-over Sawako for the mad win.

I finally realized tonight what makes KnT different... A lot of love story's make me want to be in love. KnT makes me want to be in love AND makes me want to BE loved.

[scientific railgun]

Well, I love the Chizu arc.. Ryu's brother is a bishie type of guy.. He's really handsome.. Now wonder why Chi fell for him.. But I feel bad for Chi, but glad that Ryu's always there to support her whenever she needs a shoulder to cry on..

[seltzermx]

Alright, if this doesn't end with her knocked up, I am going to be extremely dissapointed in this series.

[Mandril]

Alright, if this doesn't end with her knocked up, I am going to be extremely dissapointed in this series.Pretty much... This series is getting way too sweet for my tastes. I don't mind a heartwarming romantic tale, but sometimes it's just way too fake and slowly paced. I demand payoff in the next episode. A kiss and a hug, a straightforward confession of love and devotion, if the last episode doesn't deliver then Sawako's entire path from loner to charming princess loses all its value, and the show falls in the water along with it.

[seltzermx]

Hmmm..... kind of dissapointing finale I guess. It had its cute moments and whatnot, but nothing really happened. Heck, they came a lot closer than this in that Pin episode where they almost kiss at the end.

[MarlinClock]

Almost seems like they're setting up for a second season.

[DickMcVengeance]

Almost seems like they're setting up for a second season.

Typical non-committal ending. Sure, they could, but they're not going to. Time to go pick up all the manga...

[MarlinClock]

At least there is the manga, rather that than it end ambiguously for no reason.