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8:00 PM on 01.05.2010   |   Karen Leslie

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I am ashamed to report that so far, my New Year's Resolution has been a complete and utter failure: I haven't read any yaoi. I'm afraid this year is going to be just like all the others, and I'll neglect my important resolution to instead accomplish some silly, pointless little goal. While I pathetically try to become woman enough to break into the world of lavishly illustrated bishounen shenanigans, I think I'll learn to read some Japanese. At least that way I'll accomplish something this year.

Besides, unlike in that movie Julie and Julia, setting a goal and then blogging about my experiences on the internet does not require me to throw several live lobsters into a vat of boiling water- well, unless of course that ends up being a good mnemonic for something.

Hit the jump for more reverse-psychology and my daring, i.e. stupid, plan to turn my brain into a moonspeak processor.

A better look at my cheering section

A better look at my cheering section: Sakura, Sailor Venus, Badtz-Maru, Mr. Destructoid. and Cheer Bear. Cheer Bear is only a place-holder until I get myself a Grumpy Bear, by the way. Now I know what you're thinking: where is Usagi? There was no room left; in these times, sometimes we must make tough decisions.

Like many otaku, I've been meaning to learn Japanese for a long time, and have even been making some attempt to study it on a regular basis, but it's always been way at the bottom of my to-do list. It suddenly hit me the other day, while thinking about how awesome our translators are here at Japanator (and by the way, thanks again guys), that I currently have more incentive to take the plunge than I ever have before. Being able to read Japanese would make me better equipped for both work and leisure; it would greatly benefit me in virtually every area of my life.

Before I detail the forthcoming multi-disciplinary assault on my senses, I should point out that I did actually take a minor in Japanese. I only took it for two years and never could read more than a few hundred kanji, but between several college classes and many years of Otaku-ism, I'm far from a beginner. On the plus side, this makes this whole exercise seem much less ridiculous; on the minus, this makes it harder for you to follow along at home if you're starting from scratch- if you too would like to learn Japanese the Baka Way! However, regardless of where you are in your language study, I hope that reporting on my experiences with different books, software, and studying techniques will be useful; that's really the point of this whole exercise.

That, and to create a situation where I'll feel really bad if I fail, which just goes to show that only in the quest to become more erudite can one commit astounding, truly breathtaking feats of stupidity.

The Goal:

The awesome Tuttle Kanji Cards

Tuttle Kanji Cards, recommended by everyone under the sun. I'm currently working on mastering the first box; the second one is just there for show.

Okay, it's time to be realistic for a moment: it is not my goal to master Japanese. That's an excellent long-term goal, and one I hope to graduate to some day, but it's too unrealistically ambitious even for a self-professed baka like me. It is also not my goal to learn to speak Japanese, per se. I have no immediate plans of going to Japan (boo), and while I will inevitably improve my vocabulary and grammar over time, learning to read and write is of much, much more immediate use to me. It's also something much easier to achieve through self-study.

Setting a specific number of Kanji to memorize seems both arbitrary and intimidating, so of course that's where I have to start. While it's tempting to set a goal of all 1,945 Jōyō Kanji for maximum absurdity, I would like to have the tiniest chance of actually succeeding, so the 1,006 Kyōiku Kanji it is. Maybe I'll move on to the Jōyō Kanji next year...not that this is a New Year's resolution or anything. My New Year's resolution is to read yaoi, remember?

Besides, all of this is clearly just an excuse for me to read all 14 volumes of Sailor Moon.

The Plan:

I KNEW I had a reason for buying these

I swear I'll find volume 7 one of these days. Perhaps in my closet? Under the bed?

In short, my plan is to combine my reasonably formidable powers of study with my ungodly powers of attention whoring, in order to accomplish what I never could back when I was trying not to be a bitch.

I plan to study Japanese every day, however that only means I have to be consistent- I know better than to expect hours of labor from myself every day. That's why my Daily Quest, or so I'm calling it, is to review my kanji flashcards; on most days I should be able to do more, but if I at least go over my flash cards consistently, I will have accomplished something. One of the nice things about memorizing kanji is that sometimes, the most important thing to do is just remember to keep sticking it in your face- out of sight, out of mind. Keeping up on reviewing requires a commitment, but it's not actually that challenging.

I plan to translate all 14 volumes of Sailor Moon, and when I say 'translate', I mean copying it over. I've actually tried translating it literally- writing down the English text right next to the Japanese- but then when I look back at what I've done, my eyes are immediately drawn to the English and it defeats the purpose. I'm going to copy it (although I plan to use mostly stick figures for the artwork- I'm not that big of a masochist), and write down commonly occurring words that I don't know. 14 volumes may seem like a lot, but I have a feeling that the translation will start going faster and faster once I've started to internalize some of the common SM vocabulary.

In addition, I want to make what's typically downtime for me into Japanese-time; lately the only games I play are dungeon crawlers that require hours of grinding, and they generally have boring music. I've loaded my MP3 player with Japanese lessons and short stories, and have started listening to it whenever I pick up a game. The effect is more subliminal than anything else, but every little bit helps. So far it's been working out quite well, but just a tip: Never listen to anything by Natsume Sōseki while trying to customize a weapon for killing the undead; it is better if you don't know why. If you would like to try this out for yourself, be my guest, but I warn you: this level of multi-tasking may in fact be indicative of a disease.

I love me some Flash Cards

I'm a sucker for all kinds of stationary, especially specialized flash cards like these. You can get these at Japanese bookstores like Kinokuniya, and some college bookstores.

Well, if I can survive my first week or two of Learning Japanese the Baka Way, I'll let you know all about my favorite textbooks, software, and other stuff that I spent a stupid amount of money on at some point because I thought it might help. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go play Etrian Odyssey while listening to a Fruits Basket Drama CD, and hope it doesn't do anything to my brain that wasn't already inevitable.

My sculpting could still use some work

This will be me after a few weeks of this; actually, I had this half-finished sculpture of Rydia from Final Fantasy IV on my desk when I was setting it up for Japanese, and just kept her on there for the hell of it. Actually, maybe I should take the fact that she is still headless as a reminder to finish my damn projects.

It's kawaii and it's MINE

Oh, and I would like to conclude this with the observation that I own this and you do not.


Learning Japanese the Baka Way photo
Learning Japanese the Baka Way photo
Learning Japanese the Baka Way photo
Learning Japanese the Baka Way photo
Learning Japanese the Baka Way photo
Learning Japanese the Baka Way photo
Learning Japanese the Baka Way photo
Learning Japanese the Baka Way photo


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I actually don't think this is too baka. It's better than what I did, staring at a stereo while repeating words over and over with no enthusiasam, since you'll be doing what you enjoy simultaneously. That's kinda awesome and I wish I thought of it.
lol I've ordered all this crap from White Rabbit including the flashcards over the past couple of years, and I'm still failing cause I keep doing stupid stuff like dicking on the internet posting comments that nobody reads instead of studying Japanese like I should be doing.
Good luck on your studies(you'll need it). Here are a few links that may help you out a bit.

Rikai Chan - This is pretty old but still very useful. Rikai is a browser dictionary add on that reads japanese and translates as you mouse over japanese. So if there is a kanji you can't read this will read it for you and also give you the english. You can also access the lookup bar in the tools menu of firefox which allows japanese > english and english > japanese function.

http://www.polarcloud.com/rikaichan/

ITESLJ - This site provides tons and tons of different vocabulary quizzes. It also has a section of "Must know japanese words" which has 4480 words.

http://iteslj.org/v/j/

Manythings - This provides many different types of information. Kana, kanji, newspaper words, street signs, JLPT prep, and the feature that i like the most: the daily page that provides you with 36 kanji a day to help refresh your mind of old kanji and learn the new.

http://www.manythings.org/japanese/daily/

Nihongo resources - This is a huge FREE user compiled textbook that can be downloaded. This provides pretty much every single grammer point in japanese and so so so much more. I don't recommend for new people though this is more so for self study after you finish your university/college classes for good. But regardless it is a great resource.

http://grammar.nihongoresources.com/doku.php

Verb conjugations wiki - Even though it seems basic, this page is great for review not only for conjugating verbs but the many ways the conjugation is used. I recommend looking at the uses of て form it'll refresh you and maybe you haven't learned a few of the uses as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_verb_conjugations

Lang 8 - This is a social networking kinda site where you post up a piece of writing in the language you're learning and native speaker of the language will come and correct the mistakes for you. It's helpful if you want to test your writing abilities out.

http://lang-8.com/

Japaneseclass.jp - This site is interesting every time you get an answer right you get 5exp and when you get one wrong you lose 3exp (don't quote me on the numbers i forget >.>). So this would be a good way to provide motivation to people that want to get started or are just at a wall. There is kanji quizzes, vocab quizzes, and grammer lessons. The site isn't as extensive as the 4480+ vocab site above though.


A manga that you could look at is よつばと!(yotsuba to!). It would be a good change of pace from Sailor moon. The grammer and kanji aren't to bad either.

But reading manga is japanese makes almost every manga better. You can really see the detail the mangaka puts into the manga. Different fonts, use of kanji for one character and not using it for another(an adult saying 残念 vs a child saying ざんねん), among others. These small things makes the manga more appealing.

P.S. For the beginners out there, if possible get started in a classroom environment when learning japanese because i think the hardest part was the beginning. Once you get learning methods from the classroom, learning japanese is a lot easier alone and the only real challenge is motivating yourself. And finding a Japanese person that doesn't think you're a creepy otaku so you can practice a little. hahaha

P.S.2 お前は死んだら、僕がお金をめぐんで。
Hmmm 僕のカキコは長い~~~ ㅜㅜ
I want that Destructoid thing.
Since we are posting links, here are some not mentioned yet:

http://smart.fm/home
Interesting site with online flashcards.

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/
An online Japanese textbook

http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1C
Jim Breen's online textbook.

http://www.langexpress.com/JapaAdjAdvDemo/Japa-AdjAdv-Game.html
I like this game. ^_^

http://www.tofugu.com/
pretty funny blog from a guy named Koichi who offers language learning advice. Found a lot of resources through him.

http://www.youtube.com/user/tofugu
his youtube channel

www.japan-guide.com
offers some services such as conversation partner ads and gives general cultural info.
Yeah, I've been studying Japanese at least an hour a day for a while now. Also, I've forbid myself from reading novels for the next 90 days and I can only listen to language cds in the car. I'm now studying more than I ever did in college.
I took a Japanese class after school for about a half year. I learn a bit but I really still don't get the language at all, stuff like grammer. I can read all of hiragana, most of katakana and a few kanji. I would really love to learn more though.

Also does anyone one know how to get Japanese to appear on windows 7, I tried installing and it seem to fail to display along with Chinese and Korean and yet Hebrew and Hindi seem to work fine.
Interesting noone mentioned renshuu yet! I use this daily and it's amazing for memorizing and recognizing kanji and vocab!

http://www.renshuu.org

Wow, all these links are great. I'm using Rosetta Stone myself right now, which I've been pleased with but these links will be great for clarifying some of the finer details that Rosetta Stone doesn't address. Thanks!
Best flashcards ever!

If you have a DS, I highly recommend the Nazotte Oboeru Otona no Kanji Renshuu game - it seems like at your level you would be able to use it effectively, and it's a really good daily practice tool.
Sup guys, some nice links in here. I'll plug the link from my sensei

http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/about

you're not gonna learn any japanese on that site, but rather, you'll get a whole new method for learning languages. It's working great for me.

For learning Kanji I use Heisigs books. Here is a wiki about it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembering_the_Kanji

Other than that I just listen to a lot of the language and read a lot of it. I hate learning the conventional and boring grind it out ways. Keeps it from being fun.


What I do is

-watch lots of anime
-read all the manga i can
-read japanese websites
-watch japanese tv shows and youtube clips
-listen to japanese streaming radio
-NICO NICO!! (great for slang, everyone should have an account there)

a cool program for watching japanese tv ANYTIME is called keyhole tv. http://xorsyst.com/japan/watch-japanese-tv-online/

its 100% legit, and always works. I think it is government run.

for radio, I use streaming radio on my itunes. Two channels I really like are Kawaii radio and Armitage Dimension, google them if you are interested. Also on itunes there are free japanese podcasts if you set your region to japan.

good luck everyone.
Seconding AJATT. Download Anki, buy Heisig and flood yourself with fun. Everything you can do in Japanese, do in Japanese. If your not having fun, you're doing it wrong!
Bookmarked this for when I start learning japanese.

Although my goal is exactly the opposite. I don't care about reading or writting, I want to be able to understand what they say in those japanese TV shows, so I don't need to wait for subbed Domoto Kyoudai!

Oh, and I do plan on living in Japan, so being able to communicate may be important.
Oh wow, so much neat stuff to check out, so little time- thanks so much guys. I'll definitely be checking out all of these sites. It's just great that you took the time to do this, it's appreciated.

@tomoemoe: I'd love to get the DS game, I think I should probably wait a bit first though and see if I'm properly diligent with my flash cards...gotta earn that software.
Hmm, I haven't heard of the Heisig books. They seem interesting but I'm a bit skeptical of the method. Does it really save time by going through all those extra steps?
Awesome links, thanks for sharing those.

As for books, just stay away from "Yookoso". Or, you can get "Japanese Demystified: A Self-Teaching Guide" and save about a hundred bucks.

Would really be interested to see what works for you. I've made some progress as far as reading, but grammar is something that I can only do so much to understand when teaching myself.
@SasugaRIVAL: I don't know if Heisig will work for everyone but it undoubtedly works for me. Staying disciplined is the tricky part.
I would like to make the point that Kanji is the devil and was only created originally by the chinese to confuse invaders with roadsigns and hoping that it results in massive strokes and possibly inducing suicide. Devils tongue indeed.


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