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I refuse to play FFT:WotL since it was retranslated. I can understand fixing the translation errors. I can't justify changing the entire language of the game to fit Ye Olde English style just because the translators of FFXII decided thats what they wanted to do instead of westernizing the english in the same way the first Ivalice games were westernized. Either way my biggest annoyance is the changing of Gafgarion to Gaffgarion and Delita Hyral to Delita Heiral. Changing the names of two extremely important characters for no reason shocks and amazes me.
However, these are all hangups from a huge fan of the ps1 game. If you are new to the series the gameplay is phenomenal, the music is gorgeous, and the story fits the environment perfectly.
Off my High Horse:
The argument you are trying to make is whether or not you have meaning in society. You didn't vote for George Bush or his war but a majority of the nation did. If the role had been reversed you would feel no concern. Its a valid argument but in reality this is the pressure that society puts on people. This is why voter turn out is always low. This is society. Ramza unrealistically used magical stones and an army to shake up the flow of corruption, but it must be realized that Ramza had little effect on the Lion War. It was all Delita. He used whatever he could to obtain the power to change whatever he wanted. Including murder and kidnapping. In the end he became the King that the people wanted, while the person who stopped the true evils of the world was left unmentioned until the real truth was written. To abridge the first chapter is sooo easy when the rest of the story is soooo complex.
What I got out of the end of the first chapter was more of a buildup of friendship that wound up in a unjust tragedy that would lead them apart and pursuing the same goals in two very different ways. Ramza's goal was to stop the corruption from the outside while Delita wanted to stop it from within.
I refuse to play FFT:WotL since it was retranslated. I can understand fixing the translation errors. I can't justify changing the entire language of the game to fit Ye Olde English style just because the translators of FFXII decided thats what they wanted to do instead of westernizing the english in the same way the first Ivalice games were westernized. Either way my biggest annoyance is the changing of Gafgarion to Gaffgarion and Delita Hyral to Delita Heiral. Changing the names of two extremely important characters for no reason shocks and amazes me.
However, these are all hangups from a huge fan of the ps1 game. If you are new to the series the gameplay is phenomenal, the music is gorgeous, and the story fits the environment perfectly.
Off my High Horse:
The argument you are trying to make is whether or not you have meaning in society. You didn't vote for George Bush or his war but a majority of the nation did. If the role had been reversed you would feel no concern. Its a valid argument but in reality this is the pressure that society puts on people. This is why voter turn out is always low. This is society. Ramza unrealistically used magical stones and an army to shake up the flow of corruption, but it must be realized that Ramza had little effect on the Lion War. It was all Delita. He used whatever he could to obtain the power to change whatever he wanted. Including murder and kidnapping. In the end he became the King that the people wanted, while the person who stopped the true evils of the world was left unmentioned until the real truth was written. To abridge the first chapter is sooo easy when the rest of the story is soooo complex.
What I got out of the end of the first chapter was more of a buildup of friendship that wound up in a unjust tragedy that would lead them apart and pursuing the same goals in two very different ways. Ramza's goal was to stop the corruption from the outside while Delita wanted to stop it from within.
Honestly that complaint about the new translation is stupid. I am a huge fan of the original but it had tons of errors in both item info and the story. There are points of the game where the same character is referred to by two different names. The old English also makes sense considering the game seems to take place in a time where it would make sense for people to speak like that. The names being changed is no point at all they still sound the same even if they are spelled a bit different and they do that in translations of a lot of games(Aerith to Aeris anyone?)
As for this whole topic. If I had the money I would mostly likely leave this country I don't like the leader and more and more I don't like the way it's run. However I was born he so I will always be a Citizen which is unfortunate for me. I don't support alot of the things the government does but really I have no way of doing anything about it.
As for this whole topic. If I had the money I would mostly likely leave this country I don't like the leader and more and more I don't like the way it's run. However I was born he so I will always be a Citizen which is unfortunate for me. I don't support alot of the things the government does but really I have no way of doing anything about it.
2 things :
1) I'm a huge fan of FFT too, I probably play the game once a year. I'm doing it in Japanese and thus deals with "old Japanese-like" dialogs, so I can understand why the new English translation went that way too. On the other hand, having played FF6 only in English with the first translation, I refuse to bear with the second one. It may be more accurate, but my feelings towards the game are deeply linked to the Woolsey's translation ("son of a submariner !"), and so I completely understand Mana's reasons to rant about the new translation of FFT.
2) About the FFT plot : Ramza's quest is a personal one, whereas Delita's one is about real politics. Ramza sees the injustice, and when he asks about it he discovers that his family has to do with it and then tries to change what he can change in his family. At no point does Ramza try to become the king of his country so he can stop the war. He leave all the real business to Delita.
So you, as an American, do what you think is right on your own level and thus are more of a Ramza : you walk your own path and will die with your conscience in peace, but History will forget your name (or not, thanks to the internet). Bush, on the other hand, is on Delita's level and will be remembered and taken responsible for his actions by History.
Now how should we (foreigners) judge American citizens ? Well, as a French, I know that once your president has been elected he can just say "hey, guys, thanks for the job, now I'm gonna make a big mess !" and what can you do ? It's the core of democraty : everyone can get the job, but on the other hand it means that incompetents can, too. That's why Plato said democraty was bullshit, that only the right people should get the job. And that's what people call "tyrany" (or monarchy) and they said they don't want it, right ?
And sometimes all the guys that want the job are incompetents and you have to chose the lesser of two evils. And you know you're doomed, wether you vote or not.
Remember all the years you spent in school, remember all your classes : was it a majority of sharp people or a majority of dumb assholes ? See ? Even if you do the right thing, you'll always be outnumbered by assholes. So to a certain extent you can't blame them for not voting right, for not going on a food strike or any demonstration to say to your president "I think that what you're doing is wrong".
I personnally think that most Americans are dumb. Not because they are Americans, but because they are people just like any other, thus there is a majority of dumb asses. And so do I think about my country, France. It's always 1 leader for 100 sheeps and, to a certain extent, this is a good thing : if everyone was a leader, everyone would want his own country and everyone would fight with each other. A Nation is about having sheeps doing their work and one guy leading them. Period.
People don't go on a food strike because they value their own everyday life more than what happens outside of their country, especially in countries where they will never go. They usually react when it becomes personal, like when their son has died on the battlefield, and suddenly it's not "a war", it's "the war that took my son away from me".
You can't blame the USA for the Iraq war. When Dick Cheney went with thos badly photoshopped pictures in front of the united nations and said "there are weapons in Iraq", every nation could have said "could you be MORE insulting ?". They didn't (except France, but I'm not sure it was for the good reasons, since our army is so weak, maybe we just didn't want to humiliate ourselves on the battlefield. Unfortunately, we did anyway).
So all nations are responsible for that war because they could have said no, and they just did as if they really thought there were weapons in Iraq. They had interest in not confronting the USA.
The same goes for American laws : I think you guys really suck with your "tits are not safe for work" policy and your "sexual harrasment laws". Those laws say "you're pussywhipped !" in bold characters. But like most laws, they are in the hands of lawyers, judges and the congress (is it the congress ?). So when these guys want to vote a law, they do it without asking your opinion, sometimes late at night or during holidays, when everybody is out of the country and when you come back you're like "WTF ?!!", but it's too late.
We are Ramzas, and whatever our efforts, we will always be ruled by Delitas.
1) I'm a huge fan of FFT too, I probably play the game once a year. I'm doing it in Japanese and thus deals with "old Japanese-like" dialogs, so I can understand why the new English translation went that way too. On the other hand, having played FF6 only in English with the first translation, I refuse to bear with the second one. It may be more accurate, but my feelings towards the game are deeply linked to the Woolsey's translation ("son of a submariner !"), and so I completely understand Mana's reasons to rant about the new translation of FFT.
2) About the FFT plot : Ramza's quest is a personal one, whereas Delita's one is about real politics. Ramza sees the injustice, and when he asks about it he discovers that his family has to do with it and then tries to change what he can change in his family. At no point does Ramza try to become the king of his country so he can stop the war. He leave all the real business to Delita.
So you, as an American, do what you think is right on your own level and thus are more of a Ramza : you walk your own path and will die with your conscience in peace, but History will forget your name (or not, thanks to the internet). Bush, on the other hand, is on Delita's level and will be remembered and taken responsible for his actions by History.
Now how should we (foreigners) judge American citizens ? Well, as a French, I know that once your president has been elected he can just say "hey, guys, thanks for the job, now I'm gonna make a big mess !" and what can you do ? It's the core of democraty : everyone can get the job, but on the other hand it means that incompetents can, too. That's why Plato said democraty was bullshit, that only the right people should get the job. And that's what people call "tyrany" (or monarchy) and they said they don't want it, right ?
And sometimes all the guys that want the job are incompetents and you have to chose the lesser of two evils. And you know you're doomed, wether you vote or not.
Remember all the years you spent in school, remember all your classes : was it a majority of sharp people or a majority of dumb assholes ? See ? Even if you do the right thing, you'll always be outnumbered by assholes. So to a certain extent you can't blame them for not voting right, for not going on a food strike or any demonstration to say to your president "I think that what you're doing is wrong".
I personnally think that most Americans are dumb. Not because they are Americans, but because they are people just like any other, thus there is a majority of dumb asses. And so do I think about my country, France. It's always 1 leader for 100 sheeps and, to a certain extent, this is a good thing : if everyone was a leader, everyone would want his own country and everyone would fight with each other. A Nation is about having sheeps doing their work and one guy leading them. Period.
People don't go on a food strike because they value their own everyday life more than what happens outside of their country, especially in countries where they will never go. They usually react when it becomes personal, like when their son has died on the battlefield, and suddenly it's not "a war", it's "the war that took my son away from me".
You can't blame the USA for the Iraq war. When Dick Cheney went with thos badly photoshopped pictures in front of the united nations and said "there are weapons in Iraq", every nation could have said "could you be MORE insulting ?". They didn't (except France, but I'm not sure it was for the good reasons, since our army is so weak, maybe we just didn't want to humiliate ourselves on the battlefield. Unfortunately, we did anyway).
So all nations are responsible for that war because they could have said no, and they just did as if they really thought there were weapons in Iraq. They had interest in not confronting the USA.
The same goes for American laws : I think you guys really suck with your "tits are not safe for work" policy and your "sexual harrasment laws". Those laws say "you're pussywhipped !" in bold characters. But like most laws, they are in the hands of lawyers, judges and the congress (is it the congress ?). So when these guys want to vote a law, they do it without asking your opinion, sometimes late at night or during holidays, when everybody is out of the country and when you come back you're like "WTF ?!!", but it's too late.
We are Ramzas, and whatever our efforts, we will always be ruled by Delitas.
Oh yeah, just one last thing : as much as I hate your dumb laws, I have to say that your first amendment is a great thing.
You see, France is now plagued by laws that say "shut your mouth or we sure you". Yeah, I know, we're supposed to be the country of human rights and all but trust me that's NOT the case now, we have the same right to say what we want as Chinese, go figure. So what do we do when we want to express ourselves freely ? We rant on Blogger, which is American and thus grant us the protection of the 1st amendment.
You can't imagine how many French people have moved to Blogger just to keep the right to tell their mind the way they want.
Thank you America. You may think it's a minor contribution to the world, but it's not. Thanks to you we still have the means to fight and to spread awareness. That 1st amendment used to be a good thing for you and only you, but now it has become the shield of other nations as well, and we can't thank you enough for that : your amendment saves our freedom of speech.
You see, France is now plagued by laws that say "shut your mouth or we sure you". Yeah, I know, we're supposed to be the country of human rights and all but trust me that's NOT the case now, we have the same right to say what we want as Chinese, go figure. So what do we do when we want to express ourselves freely ? We rant on Blogger, which is American and thus grant us the protection of the 1st amendment.
You can't imagine how many French people have moved to Blogger just to keep the right to tell their mind the way they want.
Thank you America. You may think it's a minor contribution to the world, but it's not. Thanks to you we still have the means to fight and to spread awareness. That 1st amendment used to be a good thing for you and only you, but now it has become the shield of other nations as well, and we can't thank you enough for that : your amendment saves our freedom of speech.
[quote]Oh yeah, just one last thing : as much as I hate your dumb laws, I have to say that your first amendment is a great thing.
You see, France is now plagued by laws that say "shut your mouth or we sure you". Yeah, I know, we're supposed to be the country of human rights and all but trust me that's NOT the case now, we have the same right to say what we want as Chinese, go figure. So what do we do when we want to express ourselves freely ? We rant on Blogger, which is American and thus grant us the protection of the 1st amendment.
You can't imagine how many French people have moved to Blogger just to keep the right to tell their mind the way they want.
Thank you America. You may think it's a minor contribution to the world, but it's not. Thanks to you we still have the means to fight and to spread awareness. That 1st amendment used to be a good thing for you and only you, but now it has become the shield of other nations as well, and we can't thank you enough for that : your amendment saves our freedom of speech.[/quote]
"or we sue you", of course.
You see, France is now plagued by laws that say "shut your mouth or we sure you". Yeah, I know, we're supposed to be the country of human rights and all but trust me that's NOT the case now, we have the same right to say what we want as Chinese, go figure. So what do we do when we want to express ourselves freely ? We rant on Blogger, which is American and thus grant us the protection of the 1st amendment.
You can't imagine how many French people have moved to Blogger just to keep the right to tell their mind the way they want.
Thank you America. You may think it's a minor contribution to the world, but it's not. Thanks to you we still have the means to fight and to spread awareness. That 1st amendment used to be a good thing for you and only you, but now it has become the shield of other nations as well, and we can't thank you enough for that : your amendment saves our freedom of speech.[/quote]
"or we sue you", of course.
Oh wow, this tread is filled with fun. Mana is right though, to take only the first act out of context does mire the story's message. Also, Nox (among many comments) is right, we are by the large Ramzas. That said, I never want to meet a Delita.
What conflicts in your article is that Delita is essentially the man behind the curtain. He plays every character in the story, and almost all for "his" self gain. Be it for revenge or the will of the people, he chooses to murder and sacrifice others, all for some attempt to rid himself of the powerlessness of his birth.
Actually, there is a stronger parallel to the "American Dream," in which anyone who works hard enough, and sacrifices enough, can become anything they want to.
Maybe I'm not looking at the small picture, but I am confused on how this reaches personal accountability. Ramza was born of a royal class that perpetuated a cycle of rule and killed Delita's sister. Delita swears vengeance on the nobles, but is not saying a light switch has flipped, and he now wants to kill Ramza for his birthright.
Delita has been victimized and loses his ability to be logical. Although justified, he gives only into anger and greed to justify his behavior.
What conflicts in your article is that Delita is essentially the man behind the curtain. He plays every character in the story, and almost all for "his" self gain. Be it for revenge or the will of the people, he chooses to murder and sacrifice others, all for some attempt to rid himself of the powerlessness of his birth.
Actually, there is a stronger parallel to the "American Dream," in which anyone who works hard enough, and sacrifices enough, can become anything they want to.
Maybe I'm not looking at the small picture, but I am confused on how this reaches personal accountability. Ramza was born of a royal class that perpetuated a cycle of rule and killed Delita's sister. Delita swears vengeance on the nobles, but is not saying a light switch has flipped, and he now wants to kill Ramza for his birthright.
Delita has been victimized and loses his ability to be logical. Although justified, he gives only into anger and greed to justify his behavior.
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