I wonder if there could be some sort of amazing compromise site along the lines of Hulu...free but no copyright infringment?
I'm still waiting for K-On though....
Side note: Kingyo Used Books is really good. Translator really did their homework with all the references. Think Zetsubu-Sensei good.
Anyway, I think it's great that the licensors are protecting their properties but I'd hates to see MangaFox and OneManga to go away entirely. There's so much manga that doesn't and never will get licensed in the US. If I can't obtain a series like Mazinger Z or Getter Robo legally then the only other option is to read thescans online.
Creators get up to 20% of the sale of each book and they often get advances in the form of license fees that cost publishers thousands of dollars per volume licensed.
Publishers might get at most 10% of a books cover price to start. Now if a book becomes a hit (say more than 50,000 copies) then publishers start to see that percentage go up to 20% (as reprints begin to negate many of the overhead costs that are needed in manga licensing and production).
So by not buying manga readers are definitely impacting the creators as much or more than the publishers.
I also understand where Tuskus is coming from though. Hopefully if this works the publishers will start trying to get a lot more titles under their belts or turn a blind eye to the titles they know they'll never license.
Thats some innovation your going for. Don't get too carried away with it, or you might *gasp* become a journalist!
Although in all honesty, if it weren't for OneManga, I wouldn't have had any compulsion to read manga at all, much less buy it. I hope a viable alternative for all titles can be agreed upon.
But I will admit like others, there are some manga that will never show up on this side of the Pacific Ocean and honestly, what the hell am I supposed to do about it? Import them? Learn Japanese? I'll go far for my hobbies but one can only do so much with such limited options. I really do hope publishes will start going digital and offer us efficient legal alternatives.
That said though, I wholeheartedly support this movement. If something isn't done, the industry will suffer and that's not something I want to see. Like I said though, I hope this isn't a complete destruction of online manga, but a legitimization of the system. Scanlations hurt the industry, but completely removing any form of online viewing will hurt it even worse.
Yaoi Press is original English language graphic novels. Pirated material is never a 'scanlation.' It is always the illegal copying of our English language material. Piracy was devastating to us in 2007 and 2008. It continues to be an ongoing struggle to keep illegal copies offline. I know how dramatically even one illegal copy on an innocuous Live Journal community or YouTube slide show can be.
What I didn't know was that manga fans would often show sympathy when you explained this to them. This is why we started reaching out in the last few years, begging the yaoi fans to please stop distributing our graphic novels and art books online. Our entire library is available digitally on Amazon Kindle (with aps for viewing on the PC, MAC, iPad, iPhone, and Blackberry).
There's only a few sites that force us to take drastic action like complaining to advertisers, web hosts, or domain registars. Most respond to the DMCA complaints within 24 hours.
@Brad Rice Whats your opinion if lets say all the manga publishers in the US decide to go with the omnibus edition release for all manga and new releases brought over here from japan instead of doing the single volume book release.
Though I will admit if people are complaining about the prices of the books, one manga volume is equivalent to buying five to four comic book issues. If anyone is a comic book collector, they have no excuse. Sure they may not be in color but the detail of the line work, the tone work, and shading make up for it.
I wish you all the best and that the sales will do better after this war comes to a conclusion one day.
Now the war between the Earth Manga Publishers and the Principality of Scandalation Uploaders will begin.
Who will survive?
Everything I'm reading from the publishers' comments on this issue suggests that they are very well of the role that scanlations had filled in the industry (albeit clunkily, and they've vastly overreached that role now). If they're serious about cracking down on the 'scanlation' sites, and they are and should be, most publishers who aren't ignorant of the original role of scanlation will probably seek legitimate avenues for more immediate (and in-house) introduction of their manga to English-speaking audiences.
@yaoipress: I'm sorry to hear about your struggle with piracy through so-called 'scanlation' sites, and I hope this push will help you get a lot of that resolved. I am pleased to hear, however, of a publisher noting that although there are a lot of manga 'fans' that feel entitled to consume a limitless amount of other people's work for free, they aren't most manga fans, or even most people who read free (read: pirated) manga.
Here's hoping that publishers doing the sort of community outreach you mention helps fix this problem. I think a very large number of anime and manga fans will change their habits if they are presented with alternatives and the knowledge that their present actions hurt the industry. I know I have.
i do understand that this is a necessary thing to do for the industry, and i probably have to go back to the irc times, the manga will be still scanlated, if they cant do it with the movies, neither they will do it with manga.
i buy the licensed maga every time i can, from the few released mangas here
by closing the online manga sites, people will just go back to the forums, its as simple as that, they wont win almost anything, and maybe even lose, but, sadly as it sounds, its a thing that has to be done
the day onemanga and the sort close their doors will be sad indeed, but it wont be the end, scanlation wont die so easily
Hopefully the action will not be only from the U.S. companies involved. Japanese publishers really need to realize that they have an amazing market overseas and start targeting that audience instead of marketing anime to Japanese otaku at exorbitant prices. I hope the steps U.S. sites are taking to make manga more available affect the way the industry as a whole works, though it of course will take a long time to see results.
There is clearly a blatant disregard for publishers and license holders by many of the newer scanlators these days where they will continue to scanlate titles that have been licensed. Titles like Naruto, Bleach, Full Metal Alchemist top that list, but aren't the only ones. It doesn't matter if the published volumes are behind. The fact remains that they've been licensed by publishers and are released. Support the publishers and mangaka by purchasing these titles.
Manga and anime are consumer products. They're luxury items. They cost money. It's a fact. And companies that bring these titles to you need to earn revenue to pay their employees, pay bills, pay for new licenses, renew licenses and such. Like it or not, it requires money. It's a business. Doing things "for the love of it" isn't going to help pay rent or the mortgage. This is the side that scanlation fans usually don't take into account. The companies aren't out there to deliberately be douche bags to you. If you look at the current landscape of the publishing industry for manga, they're pretty much fighting to stay alive these days.
So when aggregator sites ignore requests to remove certain titles by licensors and publishers, or don't remove them when they hear of licensing announcements, it really does affect their bottom line, more so than scanlation fans would like to believe. The publishers have been pretty nice about it in the past, just a simple email request to remove titles, but when such requests are constantly ignored, more drastic action needs to be taken. It's unfortunate that it's come to the point where such a coalition is necessary, but in the end, I think it is needed in the current climate where scanlations mostly do more harm than good. "Sticking it to the man" is only going to hurt the hobby we all love in this case.
Anyway, my 2 cents. Forgive me if it's long winded and "TL/DR".
My problem is going to be if series that are unlicensed, that I have asked to be licensed, get yanked due to this. I'm not going to give those up just because of a shutdown.
That said, around 75% of the manga I've bought in the past year, has been due to reading and really liking the scans. Without a way to see if I'd like it or not, I'd probably leave the market.
That said, my behavior may be different from the norm.
The question is for every person like me who would leave the market in the worst case scenario, would they make 2-3 people who do nothing but read scans now start buying?
Despite my issues, I do support the publishers in this, as seeing Bleach/Naruto/FMA being so avaliable on scans is wrong.
For years most scanlators have worked on RAW versions of cartoons and manga for years for free. No doubt this alliance has the resources to try the act of putting contracts up for bid on projects to have them scanlated for a fee and still make even more money yet by releasing for a global market. At the same time alot of things have gone wrong and I do see the need for rules and stipulations to be enforced on anti-theft of licensed and copyright sensitive material, so they are in the right vein in my opinion. The full throttle from the beginning is probably making people nervous and sensative.
Do I want to read translated manga, yes. Would I and most other people pay to read translated manga, yes. It is to this end that I'd hope that publishers would take advantage of the situation positively to increase consumer base and fix profit margins, but until they do something that doesn't seem as harsh i guess i will try to learn how to read RAW manga's and import books for when they finish tearing into the major sites that are costing them thousands if not millions of dollars a week/month.
I believe sites such as OneManga and MangaFox should seriously reconsider taking down their sites, in favour of sweeping out the licensed content from their site.
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