I look forward to seeing what new logos you will dig up as you give us your insight on them as a Graphic Designer.
The new Naruto logo looks really nice, I agree that individual gradients on every letter are pretty nasty.
Um, unneeded by whom? Japanese people read that, you know... Disagree with all changes except the Naruto gradient fix and pink-to-blue change.
Yeah, like I said in the article, I think the rope and anchor could be reintroduced somewhere, I just didn't have the time to add it.
My tendency to be a minimalistic designer bites me in the ass sometimes.
I actually preferred the original One Piece logo- it looks more unique and interesting. The only thing I'd take off is that rope.
but yeah, good stuff. I wonder what YOU'RE going to do as a career! (of not already..)
As for One Piece, I like the font change, but you lose some of the soul without the anchor and the swirling rope on the bottom. It just feels too empty without all that visual clutter of the original logo.
But once again, these are some nice alternative modifications and as the actual graphic designer, you probably understand this stuff better than me anyways.
even IF its your own work.
The least thing designer people do is to criticize the owners logo unless been told to do so.
for the sake of the thread, Ill just add some of my thoughts.
The Bleach logo
cant see any reason to edit it since its good from the get go, putting white spaces do give some good effect, just not on this one.
The Pluto logo
Havent read the manga but im pretty sure that U signify something, and both typography from sides works with it.
Naruto logo
see what Earendil is saying.
I might agree on gradient though but taking something off from the logo (specially texts that goes with it) is not a good move.
One Piece logo
just look at other peoples comment.
take apple for example, just an inch off from their original design can they issue you for Trademark infringement.
Naruto's looks infinitely better. The blue also double whammy's with Naruto's Rasengan.
One Piece is tough because it looks better now. Though it loses some of the charm that the zany manga/anime brings.
That being said, I like the quirkiness of the original logo, even the hand-drawn and inconsistent lettering. It matches the kinetic energy and emphasis on cartoon fluidity of the manga.
Also, what Earendil said, though blue does look better.
1. Bleach - The double outlines promote a tightly-knit design with a uniform shape that can be replicated on any product, any color without issue, especially thanks to the myriad of colors and the drop shadow. Yours, with a fade to white gradient and no stroke, fails to pop and wouldn't capture the attention of the target audience.
Most glaringly, however, the white flame orbs are representative of souls in Japan. Thus, the souls on either end reinforce the themes of the story, which is kinda the point. It might lose a bit in translation, but so does anime.
You also couldn't print your logo on red, blue, or pink (katakana). The original could be printed on anything, especially thanks to the shadow.
2. Pluto - The logo is meant to look like the giant robot. Yours removes this aspect, losing the message of the robot and looking more like a martian citiscape. In a graphic novel, you want the logo to reinforce the messages and themes of the story, and yours doesn't do so as well as the original.
Beyond that, the 'X' being not in the center and not joined with 'Pluto' makes them look like separate entities, not one logo, and it the glaring red draws your eye away from 'pluto.'
Also, as with Bleach, you can't print this on red.
3. Naruto - This is the one where you missed the point MOST. The reason for the gradient going side-to-side is to reinforce the 'falling leaves' motif for Naruto's village, so they have a purpose that a top down gradient doesn't fulfill nearly as well.
However, the pink swirl in the background is ESSENTIAL. 'Narutomaki' are japanese fish cakes that have a pink swirl and are sliced and served in Ramen. Naruto is named after these, and his hair is styled after them. It's why he loves Ramen, it's why that swirl is in EVERYTHING Naruto: because of the pink swirl on the Narutomaki. Taking it and making it blue does nothing but remove it from the motif.
Taking out the katakana is a bad move, those shapes help to balance the logo and give it structure. Yours seems to lean to the left.
4. Soul Eater - Taking out the katakana and black stripe is a terrible idea for japan, because most youths won't be able to read the english text. Besides, the extra orange and black binds the design together and create visual interest. Removing them only makes the logo boring. In a Halloween themed logo, you need more than a splash of orange.
They also loose their family relationship, making them loom like separate pieces instead of a continuous logo.
5. Death note - DN DOES have a strong logo, but you're missing the point... it hits the target audience. DN is for darker, grittier fans, who want a more chaotic and dismal, minimalistic storyline close to reality. That's what Deathnote is, and its logo captures that well.
6. One Piece - Your logo is dull, and worse, misleading. The skull and crossbones is also poison, so having that logo with no setup could easily lead people to think it's about poisons for whatever reason. Or skeletons. Or biker gangs, or tattoos. Point is, it's too vague for a shonen jump title!
I'll admit, the anchor could be designed differently, but the rope and anchor reinforce the seafaring theme, especially with the waving motion of the wrapping rope.
The original font is much more piratelike, whereas yours is dull and without spirit.
The red silhouette is there for an important purpose: to balance visual weight. The heaviness of the mugiwara logo in the 'O' is balanced by the attention-drawing red and human form on the other end, and the anchor helps with that goal.
The entire logo is also rectangular, easier to re-size and reproduce, without need to balance your overwhelming white space.
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All in all, you have serious skills, but you desperately failed to think about the messages and themes of these titles, and worse still, you failed to consider the target audience: young boys.
To get young boys to read these titles, you'll need bright colors, consistency, ease of reproduction (doubly so in Japan), and above all, an easily-interpreted message, even in the logo.
You only have seven seconds to catch your audience's eye, and even less with children. If they can grab a message from the title logo, it's done its job. You can't rely on kids to pick it up and read it for a message, you have to catch their eye immediately.
Deathnote does that, and its logo is for older crowds, 18-25 year olds, not younger people. This is why the original Bleach, Soul Eater, Naruto, Pluto, and One Piece logos are successful and yours fall slightly short.
You logos are good for people our age, for clothes and foods, and even 18-25 aged stories. These are not those stories, I'm sorry to say, even if they do captivate the kid in us.
Except Bleach. I hate that show. Plotholes everywhere, but that's my issue.
Don't give up, you've got a lot of skill! Just remember the target audience and think about reproduction and unity a bit more next time, my friend.
RGB and CMYK looks the same in our eyes, the process is what it makes different. RGB, colour of light. CMYK, colour of ink. I can assure you that I can print a red-like image using CMYK (process) w/o any use of any spot colour. (and I know you know what my terms are giving the fact that your working in graphic industry).
I can even print stuff using offset prints with these logo. You just need to convert their RGB element into CMYK. Of course its not perfect from the get go thats why you need proofing to be done.
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enough with the must be done things, he is showing his own thoughts which I respect. No man can please everyone in this world I say.
Also, I'm SO glad you changed the gradient on Naruto. That bothered me so much!!! Also, I know that the pink swirl is pink for a reason, but the blue does look better. Hard call on that one.
I agree that the kana shouldn't have been removed. While it may be redundant, it keeps the roots of the anime and manga in the graphic. It's necessary.
nxdu: That's harsh without actual constructive criticism.
Someone already pointed out how you're wrong about everything so whatever.
You're missing my point. Yes, you do know your color processes, but that's not the point.
The original Bleach logo can be printed, unmodified, on any color or product. So, if SJ wanted to throw it on a shirt, in a magazine, display, the works, and it won't matter what color, for the most part.
Without serious modification, his new logo won't work on red shirts, blue shirts, or pink shirts without modification that most printers won't care to deal with. At the very least, using that logo would be more time consuming and costly, plain and simple.
The original logos are fine.

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