Remember: the war is cooming...

Actually that "there is always someone stronger" comes from the 70's and the nihonjinron, when the Japanese were made to think that they are all the same and that Japan must fight to regain its dignity, so all the manga for boys (shonen) were about the "training and more training and if you think you've got it well, think again !" kind of spirit. That was to encourage the young generations to do their best. At that time there were not as many fighting manga as there is now (think DBZ, Naruto), so all those efforts were related to sports (Kyôjin no giants (baseball), Ashita no Jo (Boxing), etc.).

Togashi says (in the article) that the reader should clearly see what is happening during fight scenes. Well It seems to me that Naruto is failing at that, and greatly. Most of the fights are a single page long but you have to re-read that page 3 times to understand what is happening. Naruto's mangaka is really bad at storyboarding fight scenes !

There is another point taht is really different between American comics and Japanese comics :
American heroes are SUPER heroes with powers granted by radioactivity, cosmic rays or whatever. Japanese heroes get their powers by TRAINING, and that's a whole difference.
If you're Spiderman fighting The Hulk, you can't do anything but think "OH shit, that guy is stronger than I'll ever be !", because, well, it's his power.
On the other hand, when a Japanese hero fights a stronger enemy, it means that the eneemy has just more willpower and did much more work to get to this level. So fighting a stronger enemy is not something you can't do anything about, it's a sign that you didn't do well enough and that you should surpass yourself.
Actually, many villains in manga use to have a speech when they mock the hero and his "good conditions" of living whereas they had to fight since childhood just to survive and that's how the became so strong.
As it may only seem like an entertainment to us, this is actually a propaganda tool in the Japanese society to push people to give their best all the time, until death. "if there is someone that does better than you, it's just because you're a lazy ass".

haha nice. haha "war is cooming" lol.

american superhero fight scenes are choppy coz they cant afford to illustrate each action like in manga coz the scenes are colored. manga is made in black and white to reduce cost and makes for better story telling. a plethora of tones were incorporated to compensate for the lack of colors. it gave manga more emotion and what not.

but you already knew that ~ ;)

better story telling pagewise i mean...

Meh. I like the fights in superhero comics just fine...shonen manga could occasionally learn to shorten theirs a bit. That example given here (seeing the punch thrown) is the perfect example. That's a wasted panel. Its sequential art, not animation. If you flip the pages you won't get to "see" what happened in real time.

BTW....superhero comics and shonen manga....I feel like they have more differences than they do stuff in common. Like that one guy said above. Spider-Man sees the Hulk, he knows he's outclassed. Yusuke saw Toguro (had to use my favorite manga for an example) and just decided he would train and get stronger to beat him. Its apples and oranges. Each brings something different to the table, even if they're both fruit. ...Or maybe cake and ice cream since I like both of those like I like shonen manga and superhero comics. :D

@God Len
It's already here.

Proof? They're selling Bleach and Naruto at WalMart.

Superman's crotch is touching Goku.

I have recently gotten into super hero comics my self, they have a decent story, with good art now. I suppose in the end id prefer the best battle manga over the best super hero comic, but i guess i guess if they are average, i may have to prefer a super hero comic.

Id rather get , say, Decamation: The Day After over the next volume of naruto, BUT i would rather get a volume of berserk than "Civil War" or "House of M"

good super hero comics have thankfully evolved beyond just fights

as to the person who mentinoed spidey vs the hulk....spidey beats the hulk NUMEROUS times, usually by managing to calm him down

and for an AMAZING example of a properly written recent super hero comic, checkout SupermanRedSon, its a what if, and its really beautiful, not only telling a great story but addressing issues of choice.

i hate superman, but that story is freaking amazing, as much as i loved shonen manga growing up, im pretty sure no one EVER beat goku with a mere sentence.

This needs be said & done. Batman will easily beat both of them. There'll be too much collateral damage if Goku & Superman clash. Hence, THE WHOLE UNIVERSE IS GOING TO DIE!!!!

@ horatio caine

psh, obviously..
coz goku + superman = what?! what is this..
it's over nine-thouuuuusaand!

"XD
TGFV thank god for virals

oh btw

Goku wouldn't loose to superman, or any super hero (including captain america)

"This is the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny...
good guys, bad guy, and explosions...
as far as the eye can see."

Mr. Rogers will obviously be the winner.

When I think of comic vs. manga. I can help feel many neglect to thick of the different time they my thinking of on each. To me they both have there good one and there bad ones. It can be sure Super man, Spider-man known world wide because they are/where good. So is Goku and Ramma because they where good. In no good the well enough to market world wide.

@lunarmoth:
Engriiish!

I don't know if you know this but it's a scientifically proven fact the superman can never be defeated.

...just sayin' is all.

Superman was killed by Doomsday...:(

tech all goku has to do is blow up the sun and superman is in trouble. but superman can beat goku because of his ability of having to power up why superman doesnt power up. its automatically there. manga and comics have alot of things in common. i love comics besides the fighthin scenes they have really good storylines specially if something as tramatic as 911 happend. i recently start readin manga im readin king of hell. i think manga is able to keep things funny because they are black and white. this make it easier to show more emotion by not fully drawing details. so to be honest nothin really better. they both just bring different things to the table.

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This elitist argumant always annoyed me.
Both of them are comics with differnet markets, comparing them is stupid. Dragonball Z characters are given an absurd amount of power - if Goku ever sneezed, it woudl be the end of the earth. It's stupid, but it's made with a lot of suspense, like a soap opera, so people get hooked. Superman suffers from not evolving or chaning as a charcter often enough, and being a 70 year old character. Time never moves forward in amercan comics (Or more accuratly, time moves forward but only around the characters, not for them) which is it's biggest fault.

I don't know if Superman could beat Goku, but at his peak, THE FLASH could, or more accurattly, Professer Zoom could, because he has no moral code. How? Being an invinsible demigod means almost nothing with your opponent can virbrate himself out of phase with your reality, stick his hand or another solid object through your brain, and resolidifying it - killing you instantly.
That's the thing - Goku either wins because his unreasonable and absurd strength/powers super-sayian level ten thousand BS, or an American style superhero wins because of his absurd unfair superpowers.
Both forms of comics have thir faults, and aruging about them is about as pointless as arguing with a straw house about how it really would have been better off it was built out of bricks.

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Goku would KILL superman badly!!!! Superman has no chance they proobbably wouldn't even last 2 rounds