You don't hear a whole lot of requests for Casablanca 2.
It's just not something people ask for. People aren't on pins and needles to find out what else Rick can hide from the authorities in Sam's piano. No one cares about Ilsa's post-war life with that Laslow fellow. It's not really important to us whether everybody still goes to Rick's, or if maybe some people go elsewhere for their drinking and gambling needs. There's a general understanding that we know everything we need to know about these characters, that any continuation of the story would be nothing but unimportant details.
If anyone is getting hung up on the Casablanca comparison (or thinks that all of this is irrelevant because they don't think Casablanca is all that great anyway, when you get right down to it, and I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that someone is), forget all that and just pretend that this post started with the following question: Why in God's name, and/or Haruhi's name, did we need a second season of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya?
Hit the jump to see me fail to answer my own question.
I'm not typically a fan of love stories for one reason: Most love stories suck. I mean, I used to think love stories kind of sucked, then I actually fell in love and finally had a clue what the hell I was talking about, and I realized that I had underestimated the level of suckage at work there by several orders of magnitude.
I may be explaining this wrong; it may not be a question of quality, but the fact that a lot of things that are called love stories, really, really are not. Too many self-proclaimed love stories don't actually engage the concept of love at all. Very often it's just two people, who happen to be really attractive, deciding that they like each other somewhat more than they like all of the other really attractive people in the general vicinity. They may have something superficial in common, or something non-superficial in common that is never explored on anything but the most superficial level ("I'm afraid of being alone." "Me too." "Hold me.")
Haruhi and Kyon are united by boredom, and boredom isn't superficial because, if you get too bored, you tend to find yourself thinking a lot. They're both disappointed in the thoroughly non-magical, humdrum condition of the world. Kyon accepts it, if with reservations; his whole character exudes a kind of graceful sense of defeat. Haruhi refuses to accept it, meaning that she has to start reshaping the world, go insane, or do a little of both. Most people can't reshape the world quite as effectively as Haruhi, but that's probably for the best.
For Kyon, Haruhi herself becomes the solution to boredom. No matter how intelligent or how perceptive he is (and he is), he'll never quite figure her out. Not even touching all of that Haruhi-might-be-God stuff, he's as baffled by Haruhi at times as he would be by the arrival of an alien spacecraft, complete with futuristic ray guns and bio-mechanical parts. She's his UFO (Undeniable Female Other).
Haruhi tries to fight boredom head-on, but she never quite succeeds. She thinks that only the existence of supernatural elements could possibly interest her; since the world seems to bore her, she makes the mistake of thinking that she needs something outside of the world to interest her. Like many people, she fails to realize that there are some things in this plain ole', meat-and-potatoes world that she hasn't experienced yet, and they are game-changers; they will leave no dendrite untouched when they systematically blow your mind. Sometimes, people give up on the world before they've given the world a chance to bring it's A-game.
In the moment when Kyon confesses that he likes it when she wears a ponytail, Haruhi unconsciously realizes something: that more than she cares about the existence of spacemen and time travelers, she cares about whether or not this guy- this frustratingly logical guy who regards everything with a cool detachment and never loses his sense of self- would ever lose himself in her. That Kyon, who never participates directly, but provides the wryest of commentary on the participation of everyone else, would fess up to what his personal turn-on was. When he kisses her, the new world that Haruhi was creating evaporates because it's redundant now; because when the person you love loves you back, it's a new world just for you.
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya has basically taken the position that Evangelion held for years as THE show that everyone talks about. Both deal with a kind of personal apocalypse, only in my view, Haruhi deals with it in a more mature way. While Evangelion was left unfinished, in the sense of being literally unfinished- in the sense that they literally didn't finish painting the cels- Haruhi is finished perfectly. We shouldn't be able to go back to the world before episode 14 (or 6, or 35, whatever the fuck it is), because it's a new world for them now. You can say things remain the same because they haven't acknowledged how they feel, even to themselves, but I think that's belied by Haruhi's ponytail the next day; both because she wanted him to see it, and because of his smile when he does.
Now, I'm not completely naive. I know that the anime made lots of money, therefore it got a second season, etc. That's life-- Kyoto Animation has plenty of bills to pay, I imagine. But it's not at all surprising to me, as it seems to have been for a lot of fans, that half of the second season was basically wasted on a pointless, masturbatory exercise. When you communicate one of the greater truths about life in one season, what is there left to do? The story shows us that, rather than long for a world that will never exist, with the right person we can create our own fascinating, baffling, exasperating, exhilarating world, customized just for us. And in MY world, this show is over.
Hmm, interesting way of looking at it. Whilst I could care less about the relationship between Kyon and Haruhi, I still and most likely will continue to want to know more about what happens between them. In that respect, any new content is fine by me.
Endless eight, in my opinion, was great. Different from the general view, but hey, to each his own. I can understand why people dislike it though, but I feel the addition of Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody and The Boredom were at the very least justifyable additions.
Anyway, thats my opinion on things. A lot of people would like to see the end of Haruhi, but realistically that's not going to happen any time soon.
If the second season wasn't 60% Endless Eight, then you might be saying something different. I also wasn't too keen on the Sigh story either. Hopefully, the Disappearance movie should be make up for that and be supremely awesome (seeing as it's my fave book so far and I can't wait for the English release).
Also, without Haruhi season 2, we probably wouldn't have had the second round of character songs, and Nagato's 2nd character song is awesome.
People tend to want more of a world or story they enjoyed, even if the story really should be over. You want to spend more time with the characters, you want to feel the same emotions you got when you watched an awesome episode for the first time, etc. While there wasn't a sequel to Casablanca, there are tons of similar Bogart movies which serve the same purpose.
There's still a lot of good Haruhi story from the novels left to tell, so it clearly warrents more seasons. It's just that KyoAni kinda F'd up season 2. As long as they don't pull a stunt like that again, future seasons should be gold.
People love the story in the first season of Haruhi but more then that people love the characters and as long as those characters live there is no reason not to be allowed to see more of them. Just because one person thinks something should have ended doesn't really mean it should have for everyone else. If you liked the first season of Haruhi and think it should have been left at that then simply don't watch anything new from the series. You are never being forced to.
That said there are countless people out there that would LOVE to see more of the characters and the world they live in. This doesn't just relate to Haruhi it relates to pretty much every show.
For example I would have LOVED to see more from the series Stellvia(which was actually supposed to have a 2nd season but it never happened.) However friends of mine who have seen the first series think it should not have a sequel. That doesn't change the fact that I would like to see more of those characters and their world even if it means it may take place in a farther timeline and they may be older. In fact that would probably be more interesting.
Point is just because you think something should end doesn't mean it should. That first season will always be great regardless if everything that comes after is crap. As I said you are not being forced to watch anything so if you think it should have ended then leave it at that.
Excellent piece. You made some very strong points that I agree with, but I disagree that the series should be over. I could (and probably will) write a blog about this, so I shall save everyone the scrolling here.
I am, genuinely, so glad that you guys are leaving awesome comments about your thoughts on Haruhi, rather than two-word exclamations (not that that isn't okay some of the time.)
@Reibooi: I absolutely see your point, but the thing is, 'leaving it at that' is EXACTLY what I'm trying to do-- I said that in MY world, Haruhi should be over, not in the actual world of objective reality (such as it is, lol.) In a way, all I'm doing here is saying goodbye to something I love, not berating something I don't like-- I don't think there's even any criticism of the second season in the article until the final paragraph.
There is a helluva lot of bitching on the internet, so I think it's easy to fall into the trap of assuming that anything that makes any sort of negative point MUST be bitching, but I don't think that's true.
@Lyfeforce; actually, the whole time I was writing it, I kept thinking up counter-arguments, lol. I would be really interested to see if you came up with some of the same points.
@Karen, It's quite possible you've thought of what I'm coming up with. I'm trying to work out the reasons that don't directly involve the series (i.e. Tanigawa still has loads of chapters left, etc.) and I have to admit, the series is wrapped up pretty nicely so far.
A question keeping in the spirit of Haruhi: if you could snap your fingers and make all overdone sequels disappear forever, but at the cost of your favorite property also never surfacing again, would you do it? Anyone who can say yes is either short-sighted or passionless.
People are sequel fanatics by nature; they want more. Also, though I enjoyed Haruhi season 1 quite a lot, the pick doesn't seem that controversial to me. It makes me wonder what would inspire a bigger reaction- Final Fantasy, a comic book character like Superman or Batman, Sesame Street- I think it's a long list.
Seems kind of like the producers have agreed with you considering the way the 2nd season's episodes are within the timeframe of the 1st season - just more of the Haruhi world and characters they've created. They sparked my interest by the way they've done this with the episodes..showing seasons 1 & 2 together in (mostly) chronological order and season 1s still ends it. Very interesting so I'm watching.
- bobmarleypeople - I have to disagree with your comment slightly- both Nagato's (Chihara Minori) 2nd season character song's are awesome.
@bobmarleypeople I had no idea Chihara Minori had a new character song. YouTube to the rescue!
I want Suzumiya Haruhi to continue, because there are just a few questions that need to be answered.
1) Why choose the 3 lowest ranked members of your organization to observe quite possibly the most important subject in the universe. A rational entity would select the best of the best, wouldn't you agree?
What I have to say is,that if the people of KyoAni decide to make Haruhi feel like crap(what doesn't help is Haruhi's own bitch personality) once again,it deserves to die off.
If not,then let it continue.
Time to get back to watching Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and/or Baoh.
Obviously, whoever wrote this article is NOT a Haruhi reader. There are so many chapters we fans want to see in the anime. For starters: Disappearance.
I've noticed in the novels how Haruhi tends to fade away from the picture, while the focus goes to Nagato and Mikuru.
We yet have to see Nagato steal the show in Disappearance. Not only she blushes and shows emotions like a normal human being during this arc (to know more this side of her, I recommend reading the currently-being-published manga by Puyo, "The Disappearance of Nagato Yuki"), but in the future she is more open. At one point, she decides to prepare dinner for Kyon and Mikuru. She shares her most intimate feelings during book 8... and in a poem, no less! Yes. Nagato loves life. She is afraid of losing it, and she particularly likes to watch snow fall. In her own words, "like the tiniest of miracles". And yes, she chose her name because she likes snow.
Mikuru is also given the chance to mature more - starting with the incident with the black van that nearly wipes her off the map. Then with the "Intrigues" arc, we learn the truth of why she is REALLY in this time-frame, and what actions she must take to preserve the future as she knows it. Kyon is part of this. And if that wasn't enough, in this arc there are two mikurus AT THE SAME TIME. And I don't mean the adult Asahina-san, but Mikuru is traveling two weeks to the past, so she has to avoid being seen by her present-self! Isn't this premise good enough for a next Haruhi season?
And what to say about the ANTI-BRIGADE? For the first time in the novels, we have enemies!
And there's the question... where do Haruhi's powers come from? And when will Kyon reveal his alter ego of John Smith?
Back to the article. Haruhi isn't only a romantic show. It's a science fiction show. In all the extension of the word. In my eyes, it's going to the level of classical Science Fiction that involve aliens, time travel, androids, and psychics. You'd need to read a lot of science fiction novels (or at least read about them) to get the references given to us in the first season. I'm still looking forward to reading HYPERION, the novel that Nagato was reading.
I can also argue against your argument that Haruhi is Kyon's Undeniable Significant Other. Here are the reasons why she's NOT. In both the first and second season Kyon REFUSES to kiss Haruhi, or even to tell her that he loves her. Now, this would be quite normal for a tsundere type, but in both cases Koizumi still ignores (or at least pretends to ignore) the fact that Kyon and Haruhi kissed in that sealed reality.
If Kyon refuses to do something Koizumi doesn't know about, there is no feeling to be embarrassed about. In other words, Kyon isn't refusing to kiss Haruhi out of denial - but he's actually sharing his true feelings. He doesn't love her.
A second hint is the alias Kyon chooses when meeting Haruhi during his one-night time travel adventure in Tanabata: John Smith. Now, where have we heard that name, eh? I'll tell you where: Doctor Who. Yes, it's hinted that Kyon is, in reality, the Doctor himself.
Kyon and Haruhi's relationship is not romantic love, but tolerance. If Kyon really loved Haruhi (romantically, I mean), he wouldn't have gotten to the point of almost beating her (and possibly destroying the universe in the process) when she was forcing Mikuru to kiss Koizumi just for the realism of the movie. Hello? Have you been paying attention to the series AT ALL?
You might want to argue that in the 4th novel, where Kyon is given the chance to forget about Haruhi and live happily ever after for good, and yet, he doesn't. While this MIGHT prove your point that Haruhi is Kyon's UFO, it automatically disregards your main argument: That we don't need another season of Haruhi. This 4th novel also opens the possibility that the one who is really craving for aliens, time travellers and espers (and also the one with the powers) is not Haruhi, but Kyon himself. Isn't that a good plot twist that merits an additional season?
Finally, Kyon is starting to pay more attention to Nagato than to Haruhi. If there is a hint of romance in this show, it's not just boy-meets-girl, but a love triangle. Yes. I have the feeling that Kyon cares for Nagato much more than he does for Haruhi. And if Haruhi isn't open about her liking of Kyon, there is someone who is open about it. The question you should ask is: Who gave Kyon that cardigan? Think about it, and you'll find the answer.
Right now there is so much to explore about the SOS brigade, and so little time.
So. Should Haruhi Suzumiya be over? No, sir, I don't think so.
I understand you point, and even agree with you on many of them. But the issue with Haruhi is that it was based on a series of novels. It was not created to be a stand alone work from the get go. It was from day one intended to move beyond season one and the sucess of the show only made people want to see more sooner rather than later. If the story had been created in house by an animation team then things might have ended right there but since it was based on an ongoing story there was always going to be more Haruhi, and as long as the novels keeping coming there will always be more Haruhi to make.
Very interesting points all, but I don't think it's necessary to be a fan of the Haruhi novels just to have an opinion on the anime. If I were trying to present myself as an authority on the entire Haruhi mythos-- books, anime, whatever else they're making these days-- then that wouldn't be right.
The anime and the books, though based on the same general story, have their own continuities and such- you don't have to assume that everything that applies to one must apply to the other. If they took the anime in a different direction from the books (as it seems they may have in regard to the Haruhi/Kyon relationship), that means we should be especially careful before assuming that something that happened in the books must happen in the anime.
The anime and the books, though based on the same general story
They are not both derivatives based off a general story. The novels are the original story, which the anime is based off.
Let's be clear on one thing first: they will never completely bring any relationship arch to a close. Nagato, Mikuru, Haruhi, they will all remain possible love interest because of the possibility of disappointed fans if Kyon leans too much towards one girl.
I think it is important to have read the novels in order to bring down the hammer on season two. You say they should never have made season two because it has nothing to offer, but you only say this because you do not know what additional archs could be adapted from the novels.
Yes, Endless Eight was shit. Yes, season two mostly sucked because of it. Thus, you argue that Haruhi should be over. However, anyone who has read the novels would know that the greatest is yet to come. The Disappearance! Haruhi cannot possibly be over until we have an adaptation of that.
@rewarp Actually i don't think that they've ever really defined Nagato's or Koizumi's 'rank' within their respective organizations. Koizumi seems to at least have enough pull to arrange things like the murder mystery island; and considering Nagato's orginization is some kind of hive-mind energy being, its quite possible they don't even have ranks. Mikuru is definately low-ranked, but at the same time her future self is higher ranked; for all we know Mikuru may grow up to be the most skilled member of her orginazation and was chosen as a teenager so she could fit in with Haruhi.
I'm not saying you wouldn't understand the current anime without knowing the source material. I'm saying you wouldn't know what's coming up next, and why it might be worth another season/movie.
@Karen Gellender: Mandril is totally right. So let me explain in a fewer words.
Imagine we were talking not about Haruhi, but about Indiana Jones. And that the TV series consisted only about "Raiders of the Lost Ark" (season 1) and ... ew... "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" (season 2). But the novels also include "Temple of Doom" and "The Last Crusade".
You possibly couldn't dismiss the entire Indiana Jones franchise because of Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, would you? Especially if you hadn't watched The Last Crusade.
It's the same with Haruhi. There is MORE ORIGINAL MATERIAL that hasn't got to the TV yet. And this material is not just awesome. Not just superb. It's epic, in the Kamina way!
The TV series cannot be complete without Kyon's time traveling adventures and his quest to return home from the alternate universe. It can't be complete without meeting the SOS brigade's enemies. And certainly, it can't be complete without at least watching how Nagato blushes and smiles at Kyon! We're talking about HUGE character development here!
The anime doesn't come with a disclaimer that says "this show is incomplete without the novels and one cannot have an opinion on it without reading them," it is meant to be taken, rightly or wrongly, as an anime series, and I assess it on that level. If fans of the franchise feel like it should have that disclaimer, I can certainly understand the feeling, but that doesn't make me wrong for reviewing the product I am getting. If I need fans of the series to tell me about all of the potential the show has that I'm not seeing on screen, the fact that I'm not seeing it on screen is a huge problem. The animators deserve to be criticized for the show's apparent lack of potential if they do not show that potential to the audience.
You feel like, as a critic, I should be better informed about Haruhi, which is fair enough, BUT, think for a moment that I just represent the average viewer: do you think that everyone who has gotten pissed off at this show is WRONG because they haven't read the novels? Would you tell your friend, who has lost patience with the show, that he has no right to an opinion on it unless he knows exactly what sort of content may or may not come later? No matter how well I understand the hardcore fan's perspective, that wouldn't be fair to your friend, you know?
All that matters is that they made 8 nearly identical episodes. And they expect us to just buy them on 4 different DVD's like we want to buy 4 copies of the same thing.
Let me clarify:
I completely agree with you that season 2, as it is now, should not have been made. In a way, it absolutely devalues the first season and the title in general. This is exactly what this article is about, this is what you are arguing, and I agree with you wholeheartedly.
However, to say "Haruhi should be over" instead of "season 2 devalued season 1" is to go one step further.
I think the series still has alot more to offer, despite the disappointment of season 2.
Additionally I'd just like to clarify that, unlike Rick777, I have not read all the novels (only up to volume 5)
Also, I don't think the Haruhi light novels are the greatest thing ever. They are relatively enjoyable to me, but I wouldn't use any superlatives to describe it...
I don't understand the comparison between Casablanca and Haruhi.
Casablanca is a timeless award winning film. Haruhi was originated from several light novels, then an anime series that had been chopped up, reinterpreted, re-re-released to the point of being almost unrecognizable from the original airing... now on top of that a second "season" was released to cash in. Casablanca was created as a single story and was considered such a masterpiece that out of respect a sequel was never fully realized in film form (quoted from my veteran film class teacher). Also, an authorized book sequel was published in the 80s.
...my point being. Don't compare something and then negate the use of it a paragraph into your argument. I'd prefer to see valid facts and relative comparisons instead of using a quality film to help sensationalize a topic... last time I checked your last name wasn't Sterling.
@Mandril: Understood; I don't think that nothing good can ever come out of the Haruhi camp again-- if they want to relaunch it, perhaps as something truer to the novels, more power to them. I feel like THIS incarnation of the show should be over, but I realize that's a pretty subtle distinction. Fundamentally I think you're right and we agree.
@Adam T: Did your film class teacher mention the fact that they started shooting the film before they had written the ending? Ingrid Bergman kept having to ask the writers if she was going to end up with Bogart or not, and they were all like "We don't have a clue, sweetheart." It was charmingly irresponsible:).
@Your days of Haruhi-free frolicking are OVER- you will be assimilated:).
@Ruby Cosmos: I think Apocalypse Now is a great film, and saying that the experience needs to be informed by a story in another medium is pretty much an insult. Next thing you know, I'm going to have to have read a biography of Walt Disney in order to properly understand Dumbo >
Endless eight, in my opinion, was great. Different from the general view, but hey, to each his own. I can understand why people dislike it though, but I feel the addition of Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody and The Boredom were at the very least justifyable additions.
Anyway, thats my opinion on things. A lot of people would like to see the end of Haruhi, but realistically that's not going to happen any time soon.